Might as well fire up a thread. Not sure what happened to 9...
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/30/6868695/microsoft-windows-10-announced-official
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/30/6868695/microsoft-windows-10-announced-official
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Windows 10
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Not sure what happened to 8 either.
Looks nice, task-view looks very much like Expose in OSX which works well. I'm intrigued by the pricing structure they will use for this, with Apple going free with OS updates I wonder if Microsoft can stomach doing the same for desktops. When you look at all the other costs involved with running Microsoft software in a corporate environment (CALs, Office, Server OS etc) the cost of the desktop OS is pretty minimal which may be reflected in the revenue generated purely from OS sales.
After using Linux/OS X machines the past 5 years, everytime I use Windows 8 I rage. I just can't get my head around it.
welshname
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Windows 8 with Star dock's Start8 installed was brilliant IMO.
BMW M4; S1000 RR
I installed 8.1 on my GF's PC at the weekend, I don't see what's so difficult about it.
Sure it's a bit different, but you can still click start, type what you're looking for and have it appear. You've just got a more polished looking start menu.
I'm still sticking with 7 just because I've got Ultimate and don't want to buy a new OS that doesn't offer any tangible benefit. All I do is look at CS and play HoN anyway.
Sure it's a bit different, but you can still click start, type what you're looking for and have it appear. You've just got a more polished looking start menu.
I'm still sticking with 7 just because I've got Ultimate and don't want to buy a new OS that doesn't offer any tangible benefit. All I do is look at CS and play HoN anyway.
TT
XP was by far the best - it was all a bit shady from then on!
Darren S
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I honestly don't see the rush to get Windows 10 out?
Why, since XP, have they decided to release an SP (or two, iirc in Fista's case) and then bag it off with a new version of O/S? Windows 7 x64 is a cracking operating system and instead of pushing an SP2 or SP3 even, they felt it necessary to curtail its shelf-life in favour of Windows 8.
I'm no fan of the latter, but already it's days are numbered also. Rather than chuck out another O/S prematurely - why not nurture and evolve an already good O/S?
Does seem a little strange to me.
D.
Why, since XP, have they decided to release an SP (or two, iirc in Fista's case) and then bag it off with a new version of O/S? Windows 7 x64 is a cracking operating system and instead of pushing an SP2 or SP3 even, they felt it necessary to curtail its shelf-life in favour of Windows 8.
I'm no fan of the latter, but already it's days are numbered also. Rather than chuck out another O/S prematurely - why not nurture and evolve an already good O/S?
Does seem a little strange to me.
D.
I think most people think of Windows 8.0 rather than 8.1 when they say it's frustrating to use. 8.1 brought a lot of features back from 7 and made it nicer to use, 8.0 was just plain s**t.
Because it's not about the users, it's about the business making as much money as possible. I would do the same in their position!
Rubicon_
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i was exactly the same. Fealt as if they were just complicating things.
Rav4
8.0 didn't have the start menu and had much missing.
8.1 brings a lot of the functionality back, such as the start menu. However, as others have stated, classic shell and other tools were available to assist on this prior to 8.1.
10. Looks a lot better, but I still think XP was the best OS for Windows.
8.1 brings a lot of the functionality back, such as the start menu. However, as others have stated, classic shell and other tools were available to assist on this prior to 8.1.
10. Looks a lot better, but I still think XP was the best OS for Windows.
Darren S
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Because they can make more £££££££ by releasing a new major version
I'm sure they'd make more money dragging out an O/S over a 10+ year period like Windows XP, than they ever would in creating a new one every two to three years.
An operating system does a job. It's not a flashy gadget like a TV or a mobile that people feel compelled to buy the new version of. Apart from technological advances (64-bit and wireless are two that spring to mind) - I'm pretty sure that Microsoft would love to squeeze every last dollar out of software, rather than create new ones.
D.
How?
CrippsCorner
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Astra VXR
Windows 8 took me about 8 days to get used to... it's fine now, I actually like it. Windows 10 looks pretty good, I think they should have called it Windows One though! Anyone going to join the Insider program? I've signed up but not sure I'll actually use it...
https://insider.windows.com
https://insider.windows.com
Darren S
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Because the R&D that they put into XP would have been paid off pretty quickly after 2001. And up until the release of Vista - that was realistically the only desktop O/S you would buy for a PC - both in the home and in the office.
Home users would buy their PC's from Currys, Dixons, et al - or nab an OEM XP disc from the likes of Scan and use it. Corporates would have XP Pro on their license renewals (I don't know of any that got a corp license for Vista?) - which if you followed the typical 3 year EA agreement cycle, could have potentially meant 9 years (at least) of additional licenses for XP - should the business continue to grow.
When you have literally zero competition and the consumer continues to buy your product - it makes little business sense to spend vast amounts of time, resources and money in developing a replacement product. If technology didn't improve, sales were still strong and Henry Ford had no competition since the 20s - would there be any real desire from within the Blue Oval to develop a replacement for the Model T?
It's external factors that push operating systems more. Technology outside of Microsoft's control drives them to develop the next generation platform. Touch screen, tablets, mobile phones, wireless, fibre broadband, USB3.0, and component updates all get to a point where the kernal of the existing O/S becomes next to useless. The crux of my argument is that the vast majority of people would be more than happy to see Windows 8 progress, evolve and develop over the next 5 years or so with SP2, SP3 and so on - than having to consider (at least) - switching to Windows 10 within the next two years. Assuming all other factors remain the same, of course!
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The kernel is pretty much the same code except it goes through performance enhancements and has additional supporting features added. You cannot make some of these changes to a released operating system as the risk of regression outweighs the benefits. Check how many kernel updates have been released over the past few years (outside of security). It's not a component that you look to just update whenever you have enhancements available.
This is really a few pints in a pub discussion as the whole O/S development, support and servicing cycle is huge topic.
That appears to be .NET code. .NET was only available for Win98. What does that tell you?
Darren S
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I totally agree. And no doubt MS has whole departments of engineers, designers (and importantly) accounts people - literally chomping at the bit to get new software out. They have to justify their salaries somehow....
But in all seriousness - quick incarnations of an O/S are really only released in order to smooth-over a lukewarm release of the latest offering. Windows 7 was Vista that worked - and I wouldn't be too surprised that fundamentally Windows 10 becomes a glossier Windows 8 with most peoples' irritations ironed out of it.
In a lot of ways, I applaud MS for steaming ahead with development of new O/Ss. Windows 7 - as great as it is - is now 5 years old. Windows 8 suffers significantly from meh-syndrome and now Microsoft has to be seen to be listening and responding accordingly to what people want. Who knows what Windows 10 will bring? But even if that was mediocre - I rather them attempt to fix the main issues than cast it aside and plough ahead with Windows 11.
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Funny, with Windows 10 - what was once old is now new again.
They kinda had to backtrack on all their changes, they pissed too many folks off with 8/8.1 in my opinion.
Personally I run Windows 8.1 at home but I also use StartIsBack (http://startisback.com/) and it's a very good operating system. In work though, I don't know how many clients I support and not a single one of them runs 8 or 8.1.
Problem with the tiles interface is it broke your train of thought. Having to switch to an entirely different interface totally destroys productivity. It's a bit like when you're so engrossed in a movie that you forget about the world around you - then the phone rings.
They kinda had to backtrack on all their changes, they pissed too many folks off with 8/8.1 in my opinion.
Personally I run Windows 8.1 at home but I also use StartIsBack (http://startisback.com/) and it's a very good operating system. In work though, I don't know how many clients I support and not a single one of them runs 8 or 8.1.
Problem with the tiles interface is it broke your train of thought. Having to switch to an entirely different interface totally destroys productivity. It's a bit like when you're so engrossed in a movie that you forget about the world around you - then the phone rings.
CrippsCorner
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The ultimate answer to that is to run two screens :blush: which is what I do...
Modern UI on one, and the classic desktop on the other.
Modern UI on one, and the classic desktop on the other.
Darren S
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Happy with this! Although I'm really liking 8.1 at the moment I'll definitely upgrade to 10.
CrippsCorner
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No brainer really. Impressed with some of the announcement yesterday!
If HoloLens actually works as well as it's meant to it could be pretty revolutionary. Nice to see that a 'flagship' Windows phone will be coming out soon too, I think it's a great OS just let down by clunky hardware.
If HoloLens actually works as well as it's meant to it could be pretty revolutionary. Nice to see that a 'flagship' Windows phone will be coming out soon too, I think it's a great OS just let down by clunky hardware.
CrippsCorner
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That's an unusual opinion.
