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Windows Vista
- Thread starter Thom
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Fiat Panda 100hp
Shed.
Always been a hater of apple, but they are very very good in their own environment. I do like osx though its a fantastic operating system.
Pros: Vista looks pretty. Things can be a lot quicker to do if you know your way around vista.
Cons: Slow as s**t unless you have a decent spec'd PC. Networking capabilities are pants (if that really matters to you). Program Compatability Issues (Although there are not many).
Pros: Vista looks pretty. Things can be a lot quicker to do if you know your way around vista.
Cons: Slow as s**t unless you have a decent spec'd PC. Networking capabilities are pants (if that really matters to you). Program Compatability Issues (Although there are not many).
Vista isn't a memory hog at all, beyond the fact that you'll really want 2GB anyway in any half decent modern PC. It USES what memory is available to it. Keeping the important stuff in memory so it doesn't have to get it off disc constantly.
EDIT: It makes me laugh when people complain that you need a powerful PC. No, you just need a good modern one. Things change, software gets more complex, graphics cards get more powerful, CPUs get more powerful etc. etc. etc. All good things get out of date eventually.
EDIT: It makes me laugh when people complain that you need a powerful PC. No, you just need a good modern one. Things change, software gets more complex, graphics cards get more powerful, CPUs get more powerful etc. etc. etc. All good things get out of date eventually.
Audi TT Stronic
It makes me laugh when people say you need a modern PC. I have servers at home that would shudder and die if I installed vista on them. With linux on them they run super fast do exactly what I tell them too and never need rebooting..
Why should I spend more money on a 'modern' pc when my old PC's can do the same job.
Why should I spend more money on a 'modern' pc when my old PC's can do the same job.
^^no one said you should, did they?
It's just a bit dim to expect Microsoft to build an operating system that will run on a casio watch. There were the same complaints when XP was released, now it's Vistas turn to get the flack because people want to use it (their choice) but can't be bothered to spend a few quid upgrading their 12 year old shitbox
It's just a bit dim to expect Microsoft to build an operating system that will run on a casio watch. There were the same complaints when XP was released, now it's Vistas turn to get the flack because people want to use it (their choice) but can't be bothered to spend a few quid upgrading their 12 year old shitbox
Vista has been a right royal f-up as far as I can see.
My g/f works in the IT industry & the vast majority of commercial enterprises have delayed rolling out Vista (now about 2 years old) because it's so inefficient & bug-ridden.
Nobody in the industry likes it.
Microsoft tries to Apple-up Windows & guess what...? Makes a right mess of it in the process.
My g/f works in the IT industry & the vast majority of commercial enterprises have delayed rolling out Vista (now about 2 years old) because it's so inefficient & bug-ridden.
Nobody in the industry likes it.
Microsoft tries to Apple-up Windows & guess what...? Makes a right mess of it in the process.
Scirocco GT 2.0
I have no issues with Vista whatsoever, our whole network at work which consists of laptops and desktops has been running on Vista Business for the past 18 months or so after trialling it, and it hasn't missed a beat. You do need decent computers to run it though tbh, but as said, it's progress - What's the point of making a operating system run on 256MB ram when 1GB+ is easily available?
I've also had 2 laptops with Vista Home Premium and 2 PCs at home with the same, and neither of them have had any hicups either! They run a smooth as silk, even my old laptop with 1GB ram.
One draw back is some people find it so different to XP they need time to get used to it, but once they do they don't look back in my experience.
I've also had 2 laptops with Vista Home Premium and 2 PCs at home with the same, and neither of them have had any hicups either! They run a smooth as silk, even my old laptop with 1GB ram.
One draw back is some people find it so different to XP they need time to get used to it, but once they do they don't look back in my experience.
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Great insight into the IT industry there. Maybe you should start a blog?
Ha!
She did say it would be ok to use Vista on a home pc, but most laptops (unless they're high-end ones) still struggle with it.
Yes you can get a Vista ready HP laptop form pcworld for less than £400, but would you really want to wait 6 months for it to boot up?
Vista is definitely seen as a disaster within the commercial industry. Not least because most of the 3rd party commercial apps that worked fine with ME/2000/XP need fixes for Vista & Microsoft haven't helped by blocking some of them & not developing the fixes.
We've got two almost identical Toshiba laptops, one with Vista, one with XP. The XP one has been faultless since day one, starts up quickly etc. The Vista one is a hell of a lot slower and has crashed a few times, and doesn't really do anything that the XP one can't, as far as I can tell.
Work (5000 PCs across 10 sites) pretty much laughed at Vista and said it wasn't workable despite all of our machines being on a two year lifecycle, waiting for the next instalment before making a decision.
Work (5000 PCs across 10 sites) pretty much laughed at Vista and said it wasn't workable despite all of our machines being on a two year lifecycle, waiting for the next instalment before making a decision.
Not a Clio
We've got Vista on 2 machines here:
X2 4600+ with 4Gig RAM
Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop with 3Gig RAM.
Vista flies along on both without issue. Personally I can't fault Vista, it's been problem free since I installed it in Feb. Unlike XP where I had to reinstall every few months the only time I've reinstalled Vista is when I got a new motherboard.
X2 4600+ with 4Gig RAM
Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop with 3Gig RAM.
Vista flies along on both without issue. Personally I can't fault Vista, it's been problem free since I installed it in Feb. Unlike XP where I had to reinstall every few months the only time I've reinstalled Vista is when I got a new motherboard.
Audi TT Stronic
^^no one said you should, did they?
It's just a bit dim to expect Microsoft to build an operating system that will run on a casio watch. There were the same complaints when XP was released, now it's Vistas turn to get the flack because people want to use it (their choice) but can't be bothered to spend a few quid upgrading their 12 year old s**tbox
So your saying the flack vista is getting is unjustified ? Its not a case of 'spending a few quid'. Its a case of why ? when XP/Linux will do everything Vista tries to... without the few quid spent.
Its Win ME all over ..
All business's that have a decent IT team will still be on XP.
Not really. I know it has issues but I just wish people would stop banging on about it. Everyone has the choice to not use it. I'm simply saying that anyone who thinks you need a supercomputer to run Vista must be running it on a shitbox. It runs fine on most modern PCs, and for those that don't want, or cant afford anything better than a 486, they can use Linux...yet they don't...they use Vista and moan about it.
Geeks who are into Linux and what not are all well and good, yet they often still feel the need to continually moan about an operating system they don't even use. The other portion of the haters are Vista users that choose to use it. People just love to hate, basically, is all I'm saying
Surely that's the problem though, many suppliers only offer machines with Vista now, so if you are not blessed with the ability to build a PC (or if you want a Laptop) it's not exactly straightforward to obtain an XP based machine any more.
For the vast majority of the general public, Vista is the only option. My parents wanted an XP based Laptop, but in their budget and to the spec they wanted, it was pretty damn hard finding one.
You'll probably find people who are happy with their OS choice, don't actually care which is better.. I certainly don't anymore.
Vista's uptake has been slow.. and I don't think most large enterprises will move it to - they may just go straight to Windows 7. Certainly the large amount of varying businesses I work with, all prefer XP. Why? Not sure.. but it doesn't really matter..
This is largely why Dell (and other manufacturers such as HP) still offer XP Downgrades for their Business line of products.. because the demand is huge. Microsoft even extended downgrade right licenses so people could still get it!
I used too spend considerable amounts of time comparing Linux distributions, and I always ended up back in Debian - certainly 10 years ago, nothing came close for me.. but there were other people who used RedHat, Slackware, Mandrake, etc and loved it - we spent hours debating the pros and cons of each.. and, really, got nowhere. They carried on with their distribution, and I carried on with mine. It got really interesting though, because the arguments were always beyond performance.. but with licensing, package management, config file structure etc.. everyone was correct in their views, but they were just different.
What I'm getting at is... after this thread has finished, people won't care which is better.. they'll still use what they personally like. So... you're all wasting your time.
Kind regards,
Darren.
Vista's uptake has been slow.. and I don't think most large enterprises will move it to - they may just go straight to Windows 7. Certainly the large amount of varying businesses I work with, all prefer XP. Why? Not sure.. but it doesn't really matter..
This is largely why Dell (and other manufacturers such as HP) still offer XP Downgrades for their Business line of products.. because the demand is huge. Microsoft even extended downgrade right licenses so people could still get it!
I used too spend considerable amounts of time comparing Linux distributions, and I always ended up back in Debian - certainly 10 years ago, nothing came close for me.. but there were other people who used RedHat, Slackware, Mandrake, etc and loved it - we spent hours debating the pros and cons of each.. and, really, got nowhere. They carried on with their distribution, and I carried on with mine. It got really interesting though, because the arguments were always beyond performance.. but with licensing, package management, config file structure etc.. everyone was correct in their views, but they were just different.
What I'm getting at is... after this thread has finished, people won't care which is better.. they'll still use what they personally like.
So... you're all wasting your time.Kind regards,
Darren.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
Lol at all the Vista haters.
There is nothing wrong with Vista for home use which is probably what 95% of people will care about.
Seems people don't like change tbh. Its just like the complaints I got at work when we upgraded them from Office 2003 to 2007.
There is nothing wrong with Vista for home use which is probably what 95% of people will care about.
Seems people don't like change tbh. Its just like the complaints I got at work when we upgraded them from Office 2003 to 2007.
Scirocco GT 2.0
+1
We had that when we upgraded to 2007, now, nearly 1 year later, we get "Wow, Office 2007 is so much easier now I have found my way around, I can do so much more and I have found features that I didn't know existed!"
Pah.. Teachers
I love their faces when I tell them "I'm glad you like it, it won't be long until the next version is out" lol!
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Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
They sure are. Either Windows 7 is going to be THE b****cks - or they are cutting the hassle with Vista. Either way, it's intriguing.
Personally, I think Vista is great for new comers to PCs. And it looks a whole lot better too. But on the cons side, I use my PC mainly for gaming and apart from the occasional DX10 support on some games, there is no reason at all to use Vista over XP for gaming, imo.
D.
Shed.
Scirocco GT 2.0
Yeah there is an issue where documents, for example, in word, are saved as .docx instead of the traditional .doc so when opening a .docx file in any version pre 2007 it doesn't work and many people say "they're corrupt" when in fact they are not.
However there is a way round this, just save as .doc instead of .docx in Office 2007
We have done that at work as default to save confusion.
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That's not corruption - that's just different file formats.. and you can patch Office 2003 to open 2007 documents.. altho, as you said, saving as Office 97-2003 is a better bet to maintain maximum compatibility.
I can't say I've heard of any file corruptions on a large scale.. sure, documents corrupt, but then, it's very rarely down to the application saving it badly.. it's usually the media it's saving it too.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
We get 1 or 2 students every month or 2 with the corruption problem. It does exist. Just need to open the doc in Open Office lol, to recover the data in most cases.
In the main though it's much better.
In the main though it's much better.
But since the vast majority of the haters are obviously coders, they're so amazing they can write their own OS. No?
172 Cup
I'm with Victor, I mean Munson, for once.
I'll bet a small wager that most people moaning about Vista are only doing so because it's "cool" to do so. Likewise it's "trendy" to be different and big up Linux.
Personally Linux sucks for me and Vista works like a dream.
Anyway Windows 7 is less than six months away so that's something else for the doom mongers to get their teeth into.
I'll bet a small wager that most people moaning about Vista are only doing so because it's "cool" to do so. Likewise it's "trendy" to be different and big up Linux.
Personally Linux sucks for me and Vista works like a dream.
Anyway Windows 7 is less than six months away so that's something else for the doom mongers to get their teeth into.
Scirocco GT 2.0
Well put Griff!
Yeah Windows 7 it is! Can't wait.. Our license allows us to have Microsoft Products earlier before public release so shouldn't be too long now before we can start playing, I mean trialling it..
172 cup
When I installed longhorn I didnt like it at all.. but now am on vista on 3 home computers/laptops and work laptop.. love it now I'm using it.
Had to upgrade one of the puters from 1gb to 3gb ram for it to run as quick as 1gb on xp though.
Maybe do a dual boot. Create a second partition so you can use the 2 os side by side, figure which one you like then delete the other.
Had to upgrade one of the puters from 1gb to 3gb ram for it to run as quick as 1gb on xp though.
Maybe do a dual boot. Create a second partition so you can use the 2 os side by side, figure which one you like then delete the other.
Polo + Micra
i've not long built my pc on it i put vista on it
now personally i would of preferred to have put ubuntu on it but it doesn't play blu-rays(probably down to some sony DRM no doubt)
but now i've had it on there a while it's not that bad tbh
it is pretty quick to boot and load software but the annoying thing is when it keeps asking for me to ok software to load
now personally i would of preferred to have put ubuntu on it but it doesn't play blu-rays(probably down to some sony DRM no doubt)
but now i've had it on there a while it's not that bad tbh
it is pretty quick to boot and load software but the annoying thing is when it keeps asking for me to ok software to load
172 cup
just turn off UAC (user account control)