WINTER PROJECT FOR VALVER

[J6OWEN]

Since ive had no look selling my valver im considering keeping it and taking it off the road for winter and doing something with the engine.

I want some ideas and ruff costs, (Cant afford the £4k for a turbo conversion so need to keep it N/A)

Wanting in the region of 170-180 BHP at the wheels.

 

[edde]

Twin engined?

Get a rear ended car and swop all the bits over run two seperate ECUs use threaded bars to fix the stearing at the back.

Assuming labour is free and a whole car is £500 (rusted arches etc wont matter) sell the bits from inside the car for two hundred maybe and you could get it all done for under £500 Id think.

Would be very quick I think youd be quicker than any turbo Clio even Nicks had 240~260 I think and he would heve traction off the line problems. After all 137 (say 130 for two worn engines) and youve still got 280hp/ton which is Ferrari 360 figures or close to.

Getting 170~180 at the wheel is expensive you have to realisticall go to 2.0 bottom end then run throttle bodies ported head cams etc that spec alone is £3k or so. 170 at the wheel is about 200hp at the fly that a lot of power.

What about a 172 engine? £1.5k will get you all the stuff you need to do a transplant and even a 172 dials etc.

To give you an idea my Williams has ~150 ATW (probably close to 160 if it had a good bottom end) and its got head work £500, cams £300, exhaust manifold (£160) decat exhaust and Ik (say £200) and a remap (£350). Thats not including fitment total bill is something like £5k.

 

[Clarkie172]

170-180 at the wheels? N/A ....ur jokin aint ya!

 

[Lunner]

Quote: Originally posted by Clarkie172 on 22 August 2005
170-180 at the wheels? N/A ....ur jokin aint ya!

It is possible, just a bit of a challenge, some people like challenges

 

[Adams_16v]

Quote: Originally posted by Clarkie172 on 22 August 2005
170-180 at the wheels? N/A ....ur jokin aint ya!


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[u33db]

Quote: Originally posted by edde on 22 August 2005


Twin engined?

Get a rear ended car and swop all the bits over run two seperate ECUs use threaded bars to fix the stearing at the back.

Assuming labour is free and a whole car is £500 (rusted arches etc wont matter) sell the bits from inside the car for two hundred maybe and you could get it all done for under £500 Id think.

Sorry but no, twin engined will be WAY over that even if you could get labour for free...if i said what EP spent on their twin engined R5 youd cringe and they did all their own work so no labour costs!

TBH TBs are the only sensible option in reality if youre wanting to get/get close to that power...however, youre still looking at close to 4k if not over.

Next best (easiest) option is 2ltr BE/headwork/cams like edde has said. Beyond that headwork/cams/remove PAS on the 1.8 will give good gains...i know most people say dont bother but itll still be a good improvement...maybe 170ish ATF. Also, the money you save by not going 2ltr you can put towards lighten/balanced 1.8 BE which will be an excellent base for TBs when money allows. A mental 1.8 hasnt really been done yet...




[Edited by u33db on 22 August 2005 at 10:14pm]

 

[J6OWEN]

Been taliking to a mate tonight and he suggested bike carbs!!!

Anybody done this before?? He reakons a garage about 10mins from my house would do it for £500 and i would get about 30BHP from it.

 

[edde]

What about buying the £3k turbo 16V somoen hs up for sale at the moment.

Take the engine out and swop it for yours or better still whilst the engines out swop the bottom end for a 2.0.

I thourght that that twin engined R5 had a fortune spend on stuff other than the conversion?

 

[J6OWEN]

cud be any option but then ive got another valver to try sell were is it advertised??

 

[edde]

http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=16&TopicID=178329&PagePosition=2http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=16&TopicID=178329&PagePosition=2

You should be able to sell it for £1.5k with your cars engine in it.

Im tempted to buy it and just take the engine out.

 

[J6OWEN]

very tempting indeed, dont like the car but woud not have to look at it long just long enough to swap engines

 

[u33db]

Quote: Originally posted by edde on 22 August 2005


What about buying the £3k turbo 16V somoen hs up for sale at the moment.

Take the engine out and swop it for yours or better still whilst the engines out swop the bottom end for a 2.0.

I thourght that that twin engined R5 had a fortune spend on stuff other than the conversion?

Yes, that twin engined R5 had a lot spent on it as both engines were pumping out about 250bhp each. I remember asking how much and it was something like 10k in total. Hopever, knowing how much it costs to a get a R5 lump to 250bhp you can say for sure that the structural stuff (actually mouting the lump in the back with shafts/suspension/subframe) will defo cost the guts of a couple of thou...more than a 2ltr swap and more than/maybe equal with a TB setup.

RE nicking the turbo motor out of that other 16v, a good idea, tho probably a waste of money trying to 2ltr it...if you wanted more torque/power just remap/up the boost...the 1.8 BE is stronger anyway.

RE bike carbs ive only seen one 16v done and it was a DIY effort so didnt look to good (that one with the front of the bonnet cut off and taped!). I also seem to remember someone saying that bike carbs were on the limit of the minimum of whatd be needed for a power gain (i.e. youd be hard pushed to find ones that flow enough)....so 30bhp is very unlikely. That plus the issue of not being EFI (i.e sh*tty fuel consumption) would make me steer clear TBH.

 

[u33db]

If i had access to a relatively std 16v again and was wanting a project id do;


Williams front track,
Remove the PAS,
Fit 2ltr head (flowed maybe), pullies and 2ltr cams,
With that youd see good gains in all areas at the end, youre not stuck doing "just engine" work over winter and you wont have something thats too powerful for the suspension to be comfortable. Also, theres nothing really wrong with the 1.8 BE...its just the heads that are poor, put a 2ltr head on and it really fly plus still have that lovely rev limit.

 

[J6OWEN]

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