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Xbox 360 vs High end PC
- Thread starter Clart
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172 Cup
I guess ultimately it depends on what you want from the end result..
Do you want to sit on the sofa and play driving/platform/sports games with reasonably good graphics on a large screen or would you prefer a high spec PC with superior graphics and the ability to upgrade as and when necessary?
Personally I prefer first person shooters and they simply aren't the same using a ridiculous controller.
Saying all that your PC isn't all that bad is it Clart? Perhaps you could buy the 360 anyway and upgrade the PC next summer?
Do you want to sit on the sofa and play driving/platform/sports games with reasonably good graphics on a large screen or would you prefer a high spec PC with superior graphics and the ability to upgrade as and when necessary?
Personally I prefer first person shooters and they simply aren't the same using a ridiculous controller.
Saying all that your PC isn't all that bad is it Clart? Perhaps you could buy the 360 anyway and upgrade the PC next summer?
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
PCs all the way as far as I'm concerned. Millions of utilities, programs, games, various hardware add-ons, upgrades, integrations, you name it.
Consoles just make me laugh with the hype and the bell-ends that queue-up for 52 hours in order to get their mitts on one. They have their advantages - small, mobile and powerful (for the moment). But it's a never-ending cycle - the PS2 was powerful on its release but any PC worth mentioning could chew it up and spit it out. The same goes for the XBox.
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Consoles just make me laugh with the hype and the bell-ends that queue-up for 52 hours in order to get their mitts on one. They have their advantages - small, mobile and powerful (for the moment). But it's a never-ending cycle - the PS2 was powerful on its release but any PC worth mentioning could chew it up and spit it out. The same goes for the XBox.
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Darren S said:
You change consoles once every 3/4 ish years. even if you buy a topspec PC give it a couple of months and you'll be having to check requirements or run at slower speeds/lower detail. Give it 2 years and you'll more than likey be struggling to run decent new games. You can walk in any shop and pick up an xbox/PS etc title not have to look at the back and know A. it will run and B. it will run how its meant to. Granted it once its a year into its life it wont be as good as the current high end PC but then you'd be having to constantly upgrade or replace the PC to keep it this way.
Dont get me wrong for certain games they are better but if you want to spend £300ish on something to play games and not worry about it for 4 years get a console. if you want the best graphics etc then replace your pc every year or upgrade it constantly and a continual and not insignificant cost get the PC, horses for courses IMO.
sn00p said:
there are lots of things in place to prevent things running trouble is if you know how it stops things running its not much harder to work out how to change it so other things will work.
some of the people doing the reverse engineering on the 360 are most probably just as clued up on whats going on than the people at microsoft
Well technically the 360 is massively supperior to any normal games machine out right now.
Remember underneith it its got a triple cored 3.2 ghz system and each core basically has hyper threading although not called that.
If you could take that cpu and put it in a windows machine it would show you as having 6 seperate cpu's.
The graphics card is also more powerful than the current X1800XT. So put it into comparison the 360 is capable of resolutions of 1920x1080 and still churning out large frames per second. Most pc's arent unless you have a very fast cpu and a couple graphics card running in sli / crossfire.
But i liek my pc for certain games mainly fps shooters etc. plus i need it for work.
Remember underneith it its got a triple cored 3.2 ghz system and each core basically has hyper threading although not called that.
If you could take that cpu and put it in a windows machine it would show you as having 6 seperate cpu's.
The graphics card is also more powerful than the current X1800XT. So put it into comparison the 360 is capable of resolutions of 1920x1080 and still churning out large frames per second. Most pc's arent unless you have a very fast cpu and a couple graphics card running in sli / crossfire.
But i liek my pc for certain games mainly fps shooters etc. plus i need it for work.
McBunny said:
Except that they have a custom CPU in this instance, I'd expect that the verification of signed code is performed in *hardware* and therefore cannot be modified.
I'd imagine that the flash is also encrypted with a public/private key pair - at the very least I'd expect this to have it's own private bus to the CPU and verified entirely by hardware.
Even assuming you get the public key (take the top off the chip and use an scanning microscope to look at the silicion, $$$$$$$$) all you've got is a piece of signed code specific for that individual machine, even assuming you make the changes to the microsoft code to circumvent the protection, you've got still got no way of reencrypting and resigning the modified code.
IIRC the hacks on the code signing on the original xbox were based on modifying the key.
Nippy white cup
Lee said:
Fecking hell...again? I didn`t realise they had done this with PGR3 as well! I suppose it isn`t that noticable until you go from that to something running at 60...Playing forza for a while then going to GT4 you can see how much smoother it is
Chris
Personally i love driving games and prefer consoles for stuff like that, however like most FPS so prefer the PC for stuff like that.
I had a similar choice, it was get a 360 or buy a decent graphics card and some decent wheels for the nova.
i went for the second choice, mainly cos i had been wanting some decent alloys for ages and couldnt be arsed to wait for the 360.
Give me the choice again tho, and it probs would be different....
I had a similar choice, it was get a 360 or buy a decent graphics card and some decent wheels for the nova.
i went for the second choice, mainly cos i had been wanting some decent alloys for ages and couldnt be arsed to wait for the 360.
Give me the choice again tho, and it probs would be different....
it seems that out of all the next gen consoles, the 360 will have the worse graphics.. this is the opionion and preditcion i have made from what i have seen heard.
i'd se what Sony and Nintendo come up with, at least there using new technology, where Microsoft is just using old.
i'd se what Sony and Nintendo come up with, at least there using new technology, where Microsoft is just using old.
Right, can someone please tell me WTF is "hyper threading"?wozzaa said:
Those stupid f**king adverts from PCRipoff with those c**ks in their lovely purple uniforms drive me nuts with "Ooh, hyper threading technology, it's lovely and you should know exactly what I'm talking about and buy this machine straight away 'cos it's so f**king great"
Give me strength...
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basically Hyper-threading, officially called Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT), is Intel's trademark for their implementation of the simultaneous multithreading technology on the Pentium 4 microarchitecture. It is basically a more advanced form of Super-threading that first debuted on the Intel Xeon processors and was later added to Pentium 4 processors. The technology improves processor performance under certain workloads by providing useful work for execution units that would otherwise be idle, for example during a cache miss.
Nicely googled Mike, you made it your own with the basically though.
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lol
Thanks
Just using up spare/latent capacity on the chip then!
Thanks
Just using up spare/latent capacity on the chip then!
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
RSi Dave said:
Console driving games are no match for a decent PC alternative, imo. Don't get me wrong, I've played Burnout on the X-Box and really liked GT4 on the PS2 - but after about an hour, I start to get bored. For all their graphical flashiness, lighting and mirror effects, they just feel 'flat'. It's like I'm playing a tarted-up arcade game from the early 90s...
I can play GTR (as an example) on the PC for around an hour and feel physically drained. The level of concentration required and ability of the game to 'draw you in' is amazing. It also helps having a decent steering wheel!
Of course, it's all relative. If you want a 30min blast while the missus is watching Corrie, then a cosnole will have the edge. For a proper driving game however, I'd always look to the PC.
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Darren S said:Console driving games are no match for a decent PC alternative, imo. Don't get me wrong, I've played Burnout on the X-Box and really liked GT4 on the PS2 - but after about an hour, I start to get bored. For all their graphical flashiness, lighting and mirror effects, they just feel 'flat'. It's like I'm playing a tarted-up arcade game from the early 90s...
I can play GTR (as an example) on the PC for around an hour and feel physically drained. The level of concentration required and ability of the game to 'draw you in' is amazing. It also helps having a decent steering wheel!
Of course, it's all relative. If you want a 30min blast while the missus is watching Corrie, then a cosnole will have the edge. For a proper driving game however, I'd always look to the PC.
D.
true, but unless you have a decent controller or wheel then its hard to get into pc driving games. ive got GTR and its really good, hardly ever play on sim mode but thats cos me changing gears and braking seems to add silly amounts of time compared to the competition.
RenaultSport 172 Phase 1
Clart said:
Just got my X-box hooked up to the projector and home cinema amp now in glorious Dolby Digital
(My 6yr old nephew thinks its pretty cool as well
)Pity i could not take the flash off and get a clear pic, The room was actually in darkness
Dave
You should stand up and play it - you'd be leaning all over the place! lol
RenaultSport 172 Phase 1
Clart said:
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Dave
