Ph1 T
Post the vid up of us Lew
+1 I'm getting pulled more away from cams and itb's reading through this
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Better straight line speed?
- Thread starter danh90
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+1 I'm getting pulled more away from cams and itb's reading through this
Completely worn out snotty old 172 bottom end plus a turbo:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?659293-Clio-turbo-silverstone-video
the same engine in that sort of tired condition would have made at most 180bhp on cams and bodies!
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?659293-Clio-turbo-silverstone-video
the same engine in that sort of tired condition would have made at most 180bhp on cams and bodies!
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
IF i was to spend three grand i would go down the route of a turbo. But saying that id be tempted to buy a quicker car tbh
Evo 5 RS
For me it's ITBs all the way on these cars, but not necessarily for straight line speed. You can't argue if that's what you're looking for, forced induction is the way forward. As above you can take a fairly tatty F4R and run as much as 250BHP 'safely' for a fair amount of time. These engines don't actually like revving all that much anyway, at least not when you look at other tunable NA lumps. So you're almost doing it a favour
Making the car lighter.
GRP panels
Polycarb windows
Excess metal removed
Lighter wheels and other aftermarket parts.
GRP panels
Polycarb windows
Excess metal removed
Lighter wheels and other aftermarket parts.
If its for track use then absolutely, it will also make it corner better and brake better.
Lightness is the best thing you can add to any car.
If its a daily driver though, I think I'd sooner have boost than a stripped interior.
Totally agree chip, the ops talking about his track car I believe, hence my thoughts.
Post the vid up of us Lew
I've got some from our antics in germany, they've got your plate in them. They ok to share?
Ph1 T
Yeah i run 3000's if for 2k you can go the turbo route I'll definately be looking into that just after Xmas.. I was going to chuck cams in with belts mapping was going to be around 1500 but my belts aren't due for roughy another 3 year,
If I could turbo it for around another 1k I'd much rather go that route,
The cars stripped ect at the minute so road manners aren't a problem
If I could turbo it for around another 1k I'd much rather go that route,
The cars stripped ect at the minute so road manners aren't a problem
Ph1 T
Did you go down the Itb cams route mate
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
FFs. I resemble that remark.
Ah, ignore what people are saying about me saying it can be done for 2K to get 250+BHP then mate.
As I am basing that on fitting a thicker head gasket to lower the CR, or using a 197 head to achieve the same, and that means doing the belt after.
Thats the problem with quoting prices "with no labour" is obviously we all vary in terms of the point at which we need labour help from outside, like in my case its none at all for the engine build or the mapping etc, so that makes it far cheaper for me than for someone who lacks the experience to do that.
Bodies are a far more trivial way for someone who is a bit nervous of spanners to modify their car, you can do that with no real experience pretty much.
You could still do a turbo conversion, but just would need to keep it low boost, and hence around 230bhp, then when your belt is next due, get the gasket thickened at the same time to allow more boost
As I am basing that on fitting a thicker head gasket to lower the CR, or using a 197 head to achieve the same, and that means doing the belt after.
Thats the problem with quoting prices "with no labour" is obviously we all vary in terms of the point at which we need labour help from outside, like in my case its none at all for the engine build or the mapping etc, so that makes it far cheaper for me than for someone who lacks the experience to do that.
Bodies are a far more trivial way for someone who is a bit nervous of spanners to modify their car, you can do that with no real experience pretty much.
You could still do a turbo conversion, but just would need to keep it low boost, and hence around 230bhp, then when your belt is next due, get the gasket thickened at the same time to allow more boost
Well it depends on how much of it you need doing, if you do most of the simple bolt on stuff etc and then just need someone else to change the belts/gasket and map it then 1K might just about sort it.
Only slight problem with that is you will end up paying to have it mapped twice as the moment you drop the CR to allow more boost, you will invalidate the ignition curve that has been mapped for standard boost.
To me thats the best thing about car forums, they are a great place to learn and to teach.
SQ5
You can upload to YouTube with invite only I believe so it won't come up in search results?
Then let me proof it
I supercharged mine for £3k and it included standalone and getting cambelt done.
You can upload to YouTube with invite only I believe so it won't come up in search results?
Then let me proof it
I supercharged mine for £3k and it included standalone and getting cambelt done.
Ill put them on vimeo with no title/tags. Ill sort through them when I get home, ill find the ones which don't include my speedo lol
The ideal cams for a turbo motor are not the same as ideal cams for a N/A motor, so they wouldnt be the same cams that people normally fit with ITBs, but yes of course, and typically you find most turbo motors will run a single throttle body as it keeps the mapping so much simpler.
What I did on one of the engines I built was basically build a touring car spec N/A engine on steel internals and solid lifters etc, and then instead of touring car spec cams, use milder ones, and instead of touring car spec high comp pistons, used forged low comp instead.
Then the ITBs I used as a manifold essentially, with a shared plenum before them and a large single throttle (like on the S2000 cars).
Made for a very efficient turbo engine indeed.
Looked like this on the intake side:
Martin_172
ClioSport Club Member
The ideal cams for a turbo motor are not the same as ideal cams for a N/A motor, so they wouldnt be the same cams that people normally fit with ITBs, but yes of course, and typically you find most turbo motors will run a single throttle body as it keeps the mapping so much simpler.
What I did on one of the engines I built was basically build a touring car spec N/A engine on steel internals and solid lifters etc, and then instead of touring car spec cams, use milder ones, and instead of touring car spec high comp pistons, used forged low comp instead.
Then the ITBs I used as a manifold essentially, with a shared plenum before them and a large single throttle (like on the S2000 cars).
Made for a very efficient turbo engine indeed.
Looked like this on the intake side:
that is epic!!!
Clio 172
Surely if you factored into the value of your car + £3000 thats one hell of a fast car that can be purchased for say £5000. I'm the same as you Dan I want a faster car but throwing my money at a W plated Clio makes no sense to me. But hey I've a few more years on you and at the end of the day its your money and your car.
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
What can you get for £4500 that has 250+ bhp, weighs about a tonne, (ruling out an m3) handles as well as a Clio, (ruling out a vauxhall) is relatively rot free (compared to jap crap) and is as comfy to sit in (Ruling out a caterfield)
172, Tiguan
Duct tape on the panel gaps.
big boost cup
boost and a tad of nitrous will do the trick for straight line speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-l2Ab_DJJY&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-l2Ab_DJJY&feature=plcp
Cheap to maintain too once it's turbo'd if sticking with a standard bottom end.
way cheaper on fuel and tyres than an m3 etc too
b16 civic turbo makes a lot if sense though as an alternative.
We did that on my mates escort cosworths when seeing how close to 200mph we could get.
Sadly only 194 was the answer. Lol.
Clio 172
Type R, Scooby, Westy, Caterham, MKII GTI with any engine you want, 205GTI, tuned MX5, Sunny GTIR the list is massive. The scooby may be over weight but the rest are not that eavy, can produce great bhp and are under £5000 to buy.
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
Mk2 golf? 205 GTI?! Now you're in the same league as turbo'ing a Clio surely??
I've tracked a Subaru before. I decided it would be more cost effective to set fire to fifty pound notes! Lol
I'm not even going to comment on the GTI-r, with its chocolate drive train and brakes.
Clio 172
MK2 GTI with a 1.8T in it with 250 bhp for under £3k easily. I can find you about 5 for sale on VW" forums. Track tryes and off you go. As for the 205GTI similar stories, or check piston geads classifieds for 'track' cars under 5k there is alot of choice.
I bought the 172 exactly because its cheap, to spend £3000 on it making it faster (unless you can do it all yourself) doesn't make sense to me.
As I said Dan I'm older than Dan who started the thread so I look at things differently. I'd like cams in mine when its csmbelt is due in the new year but its more an all in one go jobbie.
I bought the 172 exactly because its cheap, to spend £3000 on it making it faster (unless you can do it all yourself) doesn't make sense to me.
As I said Dan I'm older than Dan who started the thread so I look at things differently. I'd like cams in mine when its csmbelt is due in the new year but its more an all in one go jobbie.
If you look at it that way, you could just buy a clio turbo already done for 3K, and I would sooner have my 2.0 turbo clio than a 1.8 turbo mk2 golf TBH
Or anything else on your list TBH, other than maybe the pug, and 205GTI are starting to get quite expensive for a base car now.
Or anything else on your list TBH, other than maybe the pug, and 205GTI are starting to get quite expensive for a base car now.
Clio 172
I'd rather have the MKII with the 1.8T.
This is from the airfield, supercharger in the lead. Im now looking through my vids from germany.
edit.
At the end of this video (from 2.15 on) you can see the difference of the two cars pulling away. Im struggling to find the videos of the two blasting side by side on the autobahn
[video=vimeo;43048388]https://vimeo.com/43048388[/video]
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Trafic 140dci
In my defence we done a rolling start in both of them races as per Danny's choice, and we were starting about 2.5k rpm, which was guttless in my car, 421's really had no low down power, once i hit 5k you didn't pull as much on me, the off the mark race at Eye airfield was a different story
That was why i wanted a third gear start on the motorway in Belgium, but then we slowed down to 40 ish which wasn't any good for me lol.
I'm not saying my car was more powerful, just wasn't that much in it.
That was why i wanted a third gear start on the motorway in Belgium, but then we slowed down to 40 ish which wasn't any good for me lol.
I'm not saying my car was more powerful, just wasn't that much in it.
In my defence we done a rolling start in both of them races as per Danny's choice, and we were starting about 2.5k rpm, which was guttless in my car, 421's really had no low down power, once i hit 5k you didn't pull as much on me, the off the mark race at Eye airfield was a different story
That was why i wanted a third gear start on the motorway in Belgium, but then we slowed down to 40 ish which wasn't any good for me lol.
I'm not saying my car was more powerful, just wasn't that much in it.
Now uploading the rolling start video, cant edit it down so you have to listen to mine/bens nonsense and you can hear Reece screaming over the walkie talkie lol
In my defence we done a rolling start in both of them races as per Danny's choice, and we were starting about 2.5k rpm, which was guttless in my car, 421's really had no low down power, once i hit 5k you didn't pull as much on me, the off the mark race at Eye airfield was a different story
That was why i wanted a third gear start on the motorway in Belgium, but then we slowed down to 40 ish which wasn't any good for me lol.
I'm not saying my car was more powerful, just wasn't that much in it.
Porkies clio with the new ITB engine on forged internals etc that me and Mike built for him is very much like that, if he keeps it right in the power band my turbo is still quicker, but not by much, if we both sat at 3Krpm and floored it though, I would just be gone.
On the road, I really do MUCH prefer the effortless acceleration all over the rev range of the turbo, on the track it depends on the circumstances in the really twisty stuff his delivery is nicer.
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