Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics (If you fancy a laugh)

[DaveDreads]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Ok Sorry. From what I have been told. Your cambelt will certainly not snap before 75k If You stick to the correct service schedule e.g 18k each service. However if You have driven the car very hard the cambelt could snap at 80k or maybe 90k. So i would say the best thing to do is to stick to the proper services mate. I am sure it will all be fine

​My I draw your attention to my previous statement.

Mate seriously, this forum is full of car nuts that spend a fortune on their cars,
have them meticulously serviced, wax them every week,
​and loads of them....I repeat....LOADS OF THEM,
have had cambelts snap way before the service schedule.

 

[chaz1234]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

LOL this guy just get better with every post

You are the same guy to say about how expensive garages charge for labour iirc....yet a driving instructor is acceptable to charge what they do hmm

lol It`s Danger money mate we make little profit tbh

 

[Dan@SJM]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

It's so you can pay for all the new valves you'll need isn't it?

 

[Jaff.]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Ok Sorry. From what I have been told. Your cambelt will certainly not snap before 75k If You stick to the correct service schedule e.g 18k each service. However if You have driven the car very hard the cambelt could snap at 80k or maybe 90k. So i would say the best thing to do is to stick to the proper services mate. I am sure it will all be fine

So sticking to proper services, set out by Renault, the people who built the engines. I should get my cambelt changed every 72k or 5 years whichever comes first then right?

 

[chaz1234]

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It's so you can pay for all the new valves you'll need isn't it?

Lol Hope I don`t need any new ones lol

 

[Dan@SJM]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Lol Hope I don`t need any new ones lol

Trust me, I'm trying to save you money here with this bit of advice.

Listen to us!

 

[chaz1234]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

So sticking to proper services, set out by Renault, the people who built the engines. I should get my cambelt changed every 72k or 5 years whichever comes first then right?

Do what You feel best with if you look back through this thread You will see I have shared some views from myself and a Renault service and sales manager. I would never let a clio go past 70k on a cambelt mate.

 

[MJRacing]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

I once read on here if you s**t in your fuel tank your car runs like crap. Dan@sjm please don't s**t in my tank, just lightly oil the cambelt!
But seriously i ain't no mechanic and don't pretend to be, but after reading many threads on here, why wouldn't you take the advice of several specialists over some main dealer? Is this guy a friend of yours?

 

[tom172cup]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Chaz how often will I need to change my cambelt? I so lots of hard accelerations will it still be ok to do it at about 75k?

 

[DaveDreads]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

I'd say every 1/4 mile on your car, i've seen how you drive.

 

[Jamie86]

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This thread is priceless!

 

[Adam G]

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You only need a hammer and a couple of sky hooks, cam tools my arse!

Wrong, you need the unicorn shoe to lock the cams too!

 

[Laine_16v]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Walking away with chin down after this tbh. That Must mean you have all won well done guys btw You can get a full cambelt change from mr clutch fixed price Think it is around £170

Pure Gold thread, the troll ability is strong with this one, you could'nt have possibly bettered yourself than to reccomend Mr Clutch to do an F4R cambelt. Excellent show you have many of us banging our heads on the table and laughing with rage! Keep it coming!

 

[martynzs]

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I believe him.

Why would a Renault service manager (manager, not mechanic) with 20 years under his belt be wrong.

I trust you chaz1234!

 

[Dan@SJM]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

I see what you did there.

 

[bright]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Thread of the year so far.

A good example of a cambelt change by a garage without the correct tools or knowledge (from my cars cambelt change in January, 2 years early and after 20,000 miles)

Aux belt tensioner support bracket. Grinded out so the tensioner could be fitted, incorrectly, as they couldn't get it in.

Mid timing belt cover. Snapped at the bottom and glued back together as they tried to put it back in the wrong order.

Part of one of the pulleys was also bent. So Mick replaced it FOC.

 

[Laura]

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i say troll,

hold a rubber band at tension for 5+ years see how it holds up

 

[James1470]

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Lol! can't actually believe this guy could be taking his "mates" word for it, it's not just renaults, I work for ford and they sharp changed from 100k or 10 years to 65k or 6 when things where going bang everywhere. I'll be getting the 200 done every 4 or 40k - purely because its here to stay and I want it right.

but because its newer and only done 14k, and I service it every 6 months, should I just wait 30 years til it's done 100k then do it?

Honestly... This "dealer" must be a complete muppet. Probably struggles with a torque wrench never mind timing tools. I'd be scared if my car was only being worked on for a hour and a half - and for £75, what quality parts you'd be fitting? cardboard cut outs and a trouser belt from primark? People like you ring me all day asking / stating stupid things. You just shouldn't be allowed to drive!

Are you the same person who pulled out into someone & think its there fault? You sound just as backwards.

 

[James1470]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

i say troll,

hold a rubber band at tension for 5+ years see how it holds up

at least if he does that he'll not be talking crap on here.

maybe he services his fingers properly so it'll be fine!

 

[Harpham]

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LOL at this. Theory proved that all Renault dealerships employ utter mongs that know nothing about cars.

 

[Budgie]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Doing cambelts is pointless when you can get an engine for half of the cost of a belt change.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

For the OP. maybe you should have a read of this:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?116596-Funniest-Thing-You-Have-Been-Told-By-A-Dealer

 

[James1470]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

LOL at this. Theory proved that all Renault dealerships employ utter mongs that know nothing about cars.

Haha, it's not like every car dealer for the past 70 years have said "I know we'll tell them not to change any serviceable items, that oil filter, you don't need that!"

 

[Harbinger]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

LOL Let's see that dealer back it up when it snaps and they offer to cover the cost on their own advice being wrong? you'll be left high and dry and broke, not to mention in tears. for the sake of £400 all in it's just much cheaper and less hassle. Amazing though someone turned business away? Perhaps their staff are just retards and don't know what to do therefore boy the job off?

 

[Harbinger]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Doing cambelts is pointless when you can get an engine for half of the cost of a belt change.

I'd love to see you get an engine, fit it within a 2 hours, get it running correctly, not to mention all the oil and other bits all in for £400??

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Have recently been speaking to a manager from a Renault dealership And he has told me the truth about the cambelt change on a clio ph2. He has basically confirmed that a clio will not need a cambelt change until 75k regardless of age. He has said some of the best cambelts that have been seen are on low mileage cars that are 9 years old. Age has no impact on cambelt life. Cambelt life depends on the forces that are put through the belt when accelerating hard. the harder you accelerate at the peak torque of the engine the quicker the cambelt will show signs of fatigue. and is possible to fail. but he has never seen a correctly clio cam belt fail even when on 100k. So I would advise people to ignore this age issue people state on cambelt. we both think this is a money making tactic based on incorrect fears on cambelt failure. and unrealistic cost on cambelt damage repair.

Wow, what a total idiot!

Cambelts degrade over time as they are made of rubber.

Whoever you spoke to hasnt got a clue what they are talking about.

 

[loggyboy]

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I love that this thread has 12 pages, for what could have been dealt with 12 posts!

 

[Dan@SJM]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Can I bring this to the attention of all:

The Service Manager, Mr Darren Flowers (Olympian, New Milton):

"Im afraid the problem with the engine mounts is related to the uprated tyres you have fitted producing too much torque, the mounts cant cope. This means they wont be replaced under warranty."

Me:

"Oh rite, since when did TOYO T1-S tyres produce extra torque?"

Darren:

"Well in the case they are, so you have to pay for the 2 mounts we've fitted"

Me:

"You were supposed to change all 3 mounts under warranty"

:approve:

I believe fUbAr was from Dorset. We may have found the said service manage responsible for this thread!

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...-By-A-Dealer&p=1312928&viewfull=1#post1312928

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Yes very True Rubber also gets harder with age. and This belt is in a very contained Environment not exposed to the normal issues rubber is.

Contained in what way?

Its behind a metal cover, but its nowhere near air right and the "normal issue" is oxidisation, so unless yours is somehow stored away from oxygen how do you aim to prevent that?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Isn't the age related to the heat cycles of the engine. Belts gets hot and cold so goes brittle. Hence why age is a factor ?

yes That is very true. However heat cycles only reach full potential on a higher mileage. Age is just a number.

What?
Heat cycles "reach full potential"? what the hell are you on about?

You sir, should NOT be trying to give advice on car forums when you know NOTHING about cars.

 

[James1470]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

LOL Let's see that dealer back it up when it snaps and they offer to cover the cost on their own advice being wrong? you'll be left high and dry and broke, not to mention in tears. for the sake of £400 all in it's just much cheaper and less hassle. Amazing though someone turned business away? Perhaps their staff are just retards and don't know what to do therefore boy the job off?

Haha it's probably why he said "meh, that doesn't need changing" ... Because if we do it, it'll end up broken & I'm not paying to put it right! But while your here I'll sell you this orange flying elephant with FSH

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Yes. A Poorly maintained car will show this. A well maintained car won`t. My mate has been a regional manager for Renault for years he has seen it all. he says that if a clio is maintained well and the cambelt is changed by 75k there is no worry`s with camblelt failure

What maintenance does your idiotic friend think a cambelt should have?
You said yourself its fitted behind a cover and left the hell alone from that point forward, and the tensioner is self adjusting, so in what way does maintenance come into it?

Your friend should be sacked on the spot as he clearly hasnt the first clue what he is on about.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

could be but depends on tension cycles of the belt. And how many hard acceleration cycles have taken place.

Which is more related to age than miles, in town driving in 1st gear you dont cover many miles but the belt speeds and slows down a lot.
although load on belt is related to engine speed more than engine acceleration anyway as the valves are reciprocating.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

see Quote Below mate. all depends on the different use the type of car gets. And also the Maintenance schedule of the car.

Which items on the maintaince schedule effect the cambelt life then according to your crack smoking friend who once stood near a dealership?

Frequent handbrake cable adjustment perhaps?

 

[Dan@SJM]

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Oil changes apparently.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

What's he called? And what region does he cover?

Have we had an answer to this or is the OP just blatantly making it up, I know there are some PROPER muppets working for main dealers but surely there isnt actually one as bad as this idiot is claiming?

 

[martynzs]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

I'd love to see you get an engine, fit it within a 2 hours, get it running correctly, not to mention all the oil and other bits all in for £400??

Pssst...I think it was sarcasm...

 

[James1470]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

Can I bring this to the attention of all:



I believe fUbAr was from Dorset. We may have found the said service manage responsible for this thread!

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...-By-A-Dealer&p=1312928&viewfull=1#post1312928

This.

Now we know his name can we all book our cars in for a belt change? Ha...

Im sure his "mate" has now lost this guy ALOT of business - surprising how fast word of mouth spreads

 

[Carlv8415]

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This thread still going !!!!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cambelt Con/Rip off tactics.

I am stating the opinion of a well regarded renault service and sales manager.

WHO?
Name and location for the guy please.

who has worked for Renault for 20 years. R.e the poorly maintained issue All I can say is that in his experience he has never heard about a bad condition cambelt being removed from a well serviced Clio. he is in constant contact with a large renault service area.

Maintained in what way? There is NO maintenance to do on the cambelt over than replacement every 72k / 5 years.

he has seen cars with no service history have failed cambelts at 55k cause of lack of regular oil changes.

What grade of oil does this utter moron recomend you smear on your cambelt reguarly then?