woodruff key missing off the crank pulley

[manda2004939]

Today my mechanic has come to fit me a new cambelt kit and dephaser.

After locking the crank he took the crank pulley off to make sure the tdc markings lined up, which it did but he noticed the woodruff key is missing Grrrr.

I just home renault have these as i really want to get the car on the road

 

[bloke]

They get stolen all the time.

 

[manda2004939]

i thought that

 

[bloke]

To be serious though they don't have one, nor do they have timing marks. Could be time to start losing confidence in your mechanic

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

The F4RT run a keyed pulley.

 

[manda2004939]

so your saying they is not a woodruff key in here:-

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yes despite looking like it should have one it doesn't on the 172/182

They are all floating pulleys on these engines.

 

[manda2004939]

what a bag of shite lol, renault for you then

 

[NorthloopCup]

The crank is slotted for a woodruff key or keyed pulley as stated above. F4r has fully floating pulleys (including cam pulleys).

 

[NorthloopCup]

what a bag of s**te lol, renault for you then

Nah it's not just Renault nowadays mate. They're all at it.

 

[manda2004939]

1st time ive ever seen it. its just mad it does not have one. ooo well at least its better to ask then going any further with it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Why is it mad? It's very common on modern engines.

 

[manda2004939]

so only the bolt holds it in place and stops it moving around?

 

[bloke]

Ford did it with the zetec years ago.

 

[Sam@NP]

yep, hence its very specific tightening torque.

 

[manda2004939]

Right,

I have taken both pulleys off and taken the rocker off,

I am abit worried in the condition of the carriers and cams- the car has done 115k

Is it worth getting another rocker cover?

Photo's attached

 

[Chip-mk1]

If you get another rocker cover I assume you don't know you then need to remove the head and spend a few hundred quid getting it line bored to suit the new cover?

Finding a decent secondhand head would be far cheaper.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ps. I wouldn't personally reuse that had now. Looks badly damaged to me.

 

[lemonnobby]

Hope the right locking tools have been user.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Hope the right locking tools have been user.

If they have then they must be brand new, as he's clearly never done one before if he thought they would be on a woodruff key, lol.

 

[mark123]

If you search there are some recent links to the manuals that will help you out. LSD182

Difficult to tell how bad that is from the pics. But if it wasn't noisy before and you don't want to spend any money on it I would just put back together and see how you get on. They are all old bangers now after all.

 

[Chip-mk1]

True enough Mark, if its just a runabout not something to love and cherish Im sure it will work on that cover, I just wouldnt want it near one of my cars but I tend to keep them for years so dont want knackered bits in the engine.

 

[Dan@SJM]

so your saying they is not a woodruff key in here:-

That crank is miles out of place to have been locked off.

 

[Dan@SJM]

If they have then they must be brand new, as he's clearly never done one before if he thought they would be on a woodruff key, lol.

In its current position, it's going to make one hell of a noise when it's first turned over. Then not much noise atall lol

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

looks like its been locked in a balancing hole...

 

[lemonnobby]

Balance hole would have been before. As dan said it's miles out. Looks like it's on the Web of the crank

 

[manda2004939]

Crank has been locked, it will all be timed up using the correct tools.

 

[manda2004939]

That was taken before the engine was turned on the crank and locked tdc

 

[manda2004939]

That crank is miles out of place to have been locked off.

Maybe because this was taken when i took the pulley off, put the pulley back on and was turned to the correct position and then locked with the correct tool.

 

[Dan@SJM]

You don't remove the pin to remove the pulley though.

 

[manda2004939]

I undone the crank pulley nut before i stripped the car down. Because i wanted to double check that the crank was locked in the correct place. Its going back together as it is, and when it does decide to blow up i will just replace it with a low mileage engine. Not messing around with another head, skimming it, new head gasket then the bottom end fails... been there done that.