ESP

[Grandpa Joe]

What is the ESP like on the Ph2 Clios? Is it quite invasive or does it work well. I'm more concerned about it on track days.

Also does the 172 cup suffer much without ABS?

 

[martynzs]

You can turn it off?

I would assume no ABS would be preferred on track, so no?

 

[Brett]

Just turn it off.

On my 182 I've found the ESP pretty much lets you do what you want in the dry, in the wet it will kick in, its a bit clumsy when it does I find.

 

[MicKPM]

Turning off the ESP via the dash button does not turn off your ABS.

 

[Martin_172]

ive always found abs very good on the clio RS, yes it does come in a bit earlier than it could at times but with minimal issues, on a non RS it cuts braking force for a bit too long and can un settle the car, where on an RS its just a quick ease of braking force and back on

 

[martynzs]

Turning off the ESP via the dash button does not turn off your ABS.

I don't think that's what he meant!

I find the ESP only kicks in when its wet on a quick getaway, when it does its very clumsy.

 

[Amos91]

I don't think that's what he meant!

I find the ESP only kicks in when its wet on a quick getaway, when it does its very clumsy.

That would be the Traction Control?

 

[Martin_172]

no that would be ESP, thats all the clio has, it limits wheelspin off the line too

 

[Matt W]

The 172 cup doesn't have esp

 

[tom172clio]

is the esp always on as default and then you turn it off on the dash??? i thought it was the other way round?

 

[Martin_172]

yes esp is always on after each restart and then you press the button at your right knee to deactivate it (which brings the light up on the dash)

 

[Amos91]

no that would be ESP, thats all the clio has, it limits wheelspin off the line too

Ah fair enough, I always thought wheelspin off the line is traction control cutting in to reduce power. ESP looks at steering input etc to apply brakes individually, which wouldnt be useful off the line.

Suppose in the Clio its a merged system.

 

[tom172clio]

thanks, stupid question but got the answer!

 

[martynzs]

I dont think the clios have ESP in that sense, its just a traction control system, called ESP.

No?

 

[Martin_172]

no its ESP, it gives you a row for getting the car sideways.

i had it grab at a back brake when it lifted a rear wheel over the crest of a hill coming round a long sweeping right hander at about 140mph! (i blame my mate for wanting to stop for a piss brake 2 minutes previous and i forgot to switch it back off!!)

 

[martynzs]

Oh!

Mine doesn't get driven hard enough to get into those situations

 

[Martin!]

You learn something new every day! No wonder my 182 feels so much nicer to drive hard on the passes in the Lakes with it turned off! Always thought it was just traction control.

 

[Fletcher]

The 172 cup doesn't have esp

Or ABS.

I pretty much have it off all the time when driving the 172, as I don't tend to take it out in the wet.

 

[Paul172sport]

Guessing this is phase 2 only.