Alignment help

Ant1 · Tuesday at 5:09 PM

Just had my Clio 172 cup aligned.

Couple of questions!

Front castor is -2.5 degrees on both sides. Always assumed it should be -3 degrees with cup wishbones. Is this acceptable and will i really notice on the road?

Using Meyle balljoints.

Rear toe is odd.

NSR

Toe - 0.40
Camber - 1.46

OSR

Toe + 1.40
Camber - 1.40

So camber looks ok but Toe is odd.

Any ideas what the problem is and how to correct?

Thanks in advance.

Ant1 · Tuesday at 6:46 PM

I’m wondering if this is a user error at the alignment place.

Not sure how the toe can be +1.30 and camber is spot on.

Louis · Tuesday at 9:18 PM

Couple of readouts of my car, few years difference.

Can see my caster varied. Didn't notice any difference on the road, and its such a small amount. The car did eat balljoints for fun so I'd be checking yours anyway. Lemforder over Meyle on these IMHO.

Are the bushes alright on the wishbones?

Rear is weird. That toe definitely isn't right. Not taken a hit on that hub has it?

Ol’ Tarby · Tuesday at 9:21 PM

Gonna need shims for the rear

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T04:48:52+0100

Louis said:
Couple of readouts of my car, few years difference.

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Can see my caster varied. Didn't notice any difference on the road, and its such a small amount. The car did eat balljoints for fun so I'd be checking yours anyway. Lemforder over Meyle on these IMHO.

Are the bushes alright on the wishbones?

Rear is weird. That toe definitely isn't right. Not taken a hit on that hub has it?

Wishbone bushes are new, so is the reast of the front end.

Alignment last done 800 miles ago, castor was the same and rear was all within spec.

Unless the guy has clipped the osr without damaging the alloy since.

Just before i purchased the car it had new rear discs fitted. I’m wondering if the spacers were installed.

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T05:46:05+0100

@Louis

Krarl · 2025-05-28T06:52:19+0100

Yeah that's fucked

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T06:56:10+0100

Krarl said:
Yeah that's fucked

Bearing i assume? Bet there aren't spacers fitted.

Louis · 2025-05-28T07:10:02+0100

Ant1 said:
@Louis

View attachment 1744870

Tres bad

Krarl · 2025-05-28T07:58:39+0100

Ant1 said:
Bearing i assume? Bet there aren't spacers fitted.

I'd say that's more than just the spacers

I've had cars before that haven't had the spacers and they weren't that bad

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T08:08:23+0100

Krarl said:
I'd say that's more than just the spacers

I've had cars before that haven't had the spacers and they weren't that bad

Not much else it can be really. Bearings shot or axel bushes.

Given it’s the same (although not as bad) on both sides it’s probably shagged bearings.

Unless i’m missing something?

Krarl · 2025-05-28T08:19:44+0100

Yeah that movement will be the bearings

Bushes will be back and forth or side to side since it's a rear beam

Brigsy · 2025-05-28T08:38:21+0100

Bearing issue that, can see caliper is not moving and wheel is in vid.

Age old axle spacer issue and prob a cheap disc/bearing. Super easy to do yet so many get it wrong.

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T09:15:14+0100

Brigsy said:
Bearing issue that, can see caliper is not moving and wheel is in vid.

Age old axle spacer issue and prob a cheap disc/bearing. Super easy to do yet so many get it wrong.

Borg & beck

Hoping this is the alignment issue cause.

Louis · 2025-05-28T09:15:55+0100

Ant1 said:
Borg & beck

Borg and beck 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T09:19:55+0100

Louis said:
Borg and beck 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yep £350.

Louis · 2025-05-28T09:22:59+0100

Ant1 said:
Yep £350.

It cost them £350?

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T09:28:37+0100

Louis said:
It cost them £350?

Yep that’s what they paid fitted.

Krarl · 2025-05-28T09:29:40+0100

Louis said:
Borg and beck 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I use Borg and Beck stuff sometimes, had no significant issues with any of it

My offside driveshaft on the Clio is a Borg and Beck, apart from the coupler coming loose when it got hot on track and sliding into my diff seal the shaft has been spot on

I actually think the quality for some of their parts is on par with the OEM

Brigsy · 2025-05-28T09:31:28+0100

Ant1 said:
Borg & beck

Hoping this is the alignment issue cause.

Id imagine bearings be cheap shite in them. I fitted a mintex pair recently and they also had cheap bearings in. Main issue for premature fail is prob missing spacer or incorrectly torqued.

Absolute eyes out at £350. £110 in parts and an hr to fit on a lift.

Id replace with Snr or oem renault discs.

Louis · 2025-05-28T09:50:32+0100

Krarl said:
I use Borg and Beck stuff sometimes, had no significant issues with any of it

My offside driveshaft on the Clio is a Borg and Beck, apart from the coupler coming loose when it got hot on track and sliding into my diff seal the shaft has been spot on

I actually think the quality for some of their parts is on par with the OEM

Not for discs. What sort of bearings are they going to have in them?

Krarl · 2025-05-28T09:52:05+0100

Louis said:
Not for discs. What sort of bearings are they going to have in them?

Nah I agree there like, proper Tim Ming Wing Wang bearings

R3k1355 · 2025-05-28T10:01:55+0100

Borg & Beck are part of Febi Bilstein aren't they?

Louis · 2025-05-28T10:53:52+0100

R3k1355 said:
Borg & Beck are part of Febi Bilstein aren't they?

No

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T13:59:44+0100

NS side….

No spacer and shagged bearing

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T14:21:23+0100

OS had the spacer but fitted wrong way round.

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T14:22:37+0100

This normal amount of play in beam bushes?

Louis · 2025-05-28T14:30:41+0100

Ant1 said:
This normal amount of play in beam bushes?

View attachment 1744905

Probably about right. They're rubber.

Brigsy · 2025-05-28T14:34:05+0100

Ant1 said:
This normal amount of play in beam bushes?

View attachment 1744905

Looks normal.

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T14:39:40+0100

Ok. So fit new discs, order spacer and get rear alignment checker before buying shims.

Krarl · 2025-05-28T15:03:19+0100

Ant1 said:
This normal amount of play in beam bushes?

View attachment 1744905

Yeah that bushing looks fine

Get some SNR bearings on those discs, saves you a few bob. You may want to replace that rear stub though, it has been chewed a bit. The step is still there at least but it may want a quick file to take the burrs off

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T15:22:54+0100

Krarl said:
Yeah that bushing looks fine

Get some SNR bearings on those discs, saves you a few bob. You may want to replace that rear stub though, it has been chewed a bit. The step is still there at least but it may want a quick file to take the burrs off

Will do.

Probably clean it ip for now.

Doubt any of this will actually solve the alignment issue as it’s the other side and the spacer was present (although wrong way around).

Krarl · 2025-05-28T15:32:58+0100

Which side was the bad side?

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T16:24:11+0100

Krarl said:
Which side was the bad side?

Not the side with the fucked wheel bearing.

NS (fucked wheel bearing) -0.40 Toe
OS (spacer fitted wrong way around) +1.40 Toe.

Camber is bang on both sides.

Krarl · 2025-05-28T17:38:12+0100

Might be worth checking to see if the stub is bent, worst case just shim it up Shirley

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T17:46:11+0100

Krarl said:
Might be worth checking to see if the stub is bent, worst case just shim it up Shirley

Yeah no f**king idea about shims and how many 😂

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T19:54:22+0100

Just noticed on the printout that the rear toe is in mm not minutes.

Not sure if that makes a difference.

Ant1 · 2025-05-28T20:23:39+0100

So using this chart OSR is 0.16

NSR rear is 0.6 which is the collapsed bearing. So once i have replaced bearing and spacer all will be good.

f**k my head hurts. Needs to be on a hunter but i reckon all will be ok.

Oggy997 · 2025-05-29T06:51:59+0100

Sounds like you're on the way to getting it sorted Andy, good work.

Ant1 · 2025-05-29T08:07:21+0100

Oggy997 said:
Sounds like you're on the way to getting it sorted Andy, good work.

That’s what your mum said last night.

“oh oh oh ahhhhhhhhhh good work Andy”

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