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Timed at Bruntingthorpe 197 1m 29.72 Mini GP 1m 30.91 Megane F1 1m 31.35 Ibiza TDi 1m 34.17 Polo GTi 1m 34.76

Voted Best Hot Hatch 2006 in Autocar ahead of the Focus ST and Golf GTi. Track and Race Cars also awarded it Best Hot Hatch ahead of the Mini GP, Megane 225 F1, Golf R32, Ibiza Cupra and Polo GTi. The same magazine awarded the Clio Cup Best Trackday car also

Production ended at the end of 2005 and a few of these were registered after March on '06' plates

It was Moonlight Blue, not Petrol Blue

Glad that you liked all this. Took a little while to create....

[/I] time to take a leaf out of the mini gp's book then. Strip that back seat out and stick a strut brace in, lose the spare wheel, strip the abs, cruise control and 6 disc autochanger out as well. Lose the xenon headlamps and put standards in. Stick a carbon fibre bonnet on there and boom...

No, it's electric

The engine on the Cup race car is the same apart from a different airbox, ECU, and throttle valve. It also has no cat.

The next development will be a stiffer suspension option. On the 182, the Cup suspension option was taken by most customers but I don't think that this will be the case for the 197 as the standard set up is very good. As for a 'cup' version, that's still being considered. There's no great...

SOunds great. Fred - they're not all sold, you can still swap your Vee for one

Thanks for your thoughts

The specs for the 207 GT 150 are out and that's heavier than the 197 by c.100kgs. The GTi can only be more

Ah ok. do you think the 197 is going to be a success? Yes, I've no doubt. are you happy with current sales and the predicted sales of the 197? Yes are you happy with the car? Yes. do you think it's what people want? That depends on what individuals want. It is different to...

There's no GT version coming out. There is a 2.0 138hp engine and 6 speed box going to be available in the Dynamique S.

Interesting first post. Was the clown icon directed at me or did you want a serious answer ?

Even with the 207 being heavier and less powerful than the 197 ?

It's about 900kgs, much small than a Clio and with 4 star crash rating but I see what you mean.

Change of heart ?

Yes I think I get that message !

Interesting. The Focus ST has a very similar power to weight ratio as the 197. Focus 1392kg 162hp/tonne v the 197 1240kg 159hp/tonne

It would be great, but those days have sadly gone.

The 197 figure is PS. All Renault's power outputs are are in PS, as are Honda's and virtually all other manufacturers. The figure of 194 would be the imperial BHP figure. On the same basis, the CTR is 200PS or HP and therefore 197BHP.

Sadly all new cars are heavier. None are going to be as light as the 172 or 182. The 197 is 1240kg, the 207 GTi 150 is 1356kg, Ibiza Cupra 1248kg.

My preference is normally aspirated but I can see why people like to turbo route as it's much more easily tuned

The CTR is 200hp and 1204kg. The Clio is 197hp and 1240kg

I was a passenger in the Vee on the road and he absolutely flew in the car. The other time was during the development of the 182 Trophy, we took an Autocar journalist to try the car prior to the final sign off. Ragnotti took us round a track in the prototype. When we met him he had...

Lucky enough to have been driven by Jean Ragnotti in a V6 255 and also in a 182 Trophy. The guy is very friendly and a fantastic driver

I don't think that any of these are feasible.

There will be some Dealers who will order a 230 demo.

Cup packs ? What would you like them to be ?