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well just upgraded my dads 8 to 8.1 and it looks no different, even the start button just takes it back to the metro screen? i just installed classic shell instead and that'll do.

FFS, is anyone else losing the excitement of this launch? im honestly seriously considering cancelling both my consoles. All it's going to be in 2013 is an expensive box to play all the same games as usual, FIFA, forza, cod, they aren't next gen games, they'll just be slightly better versions...

Seems they released it yesterday, but unlike 8.1 that's doesn't actually mean you can get it yet, this article says volume licensing price lists will appear next month. It also says that datacenter will be going up about 28%, so you might want to reconsider waiting and not buying sa, although...

oh and i presume google was broken today too? ;) http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/08/14/ve-the-date-windows-server-2012-r2-windows-system-center-2012-r2-and-windows-intune-update-coming-oct-18.aspx

ask your reseller? ;) ive not heard anything yet.

Ffs, just seen this on digital spy, was the only game I was looking forward to at launch and the only game I had preordered. Fucked off now.

Re: PS4 pre-order Amazon have reduced the price of their bundles apparently, by £5-20

I'd say zero chance, they'd literally be shot. As it's going to be a courier delivery, it will be next day, so they don't have to send early to guarantee you get it on release day with the usual Royal Mail 1-2 day delivery time for first class etc.

Re: PS4 pre-order I'm dubious about gamestop delivering one of those at that price, they are the only company offering one for under rrp

Re: PS4 pre-order ouch sony announced the 4 official bundles today, the normal pack for £349, the one with killzone for £399, one with watchdogs for £399 or the mega bundle for £449, although its a load of b****cks, as they are the same price as buying individually for the 2 with the games!!!

The 4k tv in John Lewis was £6k i think from memory, probably about 60" at a guess

I think an apology will come once they establish a real fix and are confident things are as they should.

Indeed, losing things is not really acceptable, and really it can only be a bug in software really. I can't see them restoring the data unless it's just a simple thing, they'll just out out an apology and say it won't happen again, we've fixed it now. As you aren't paying for the service, you...

I reckon I'd just hang it off the back of the vert and slap it on the wall when I get home, right?

They sold 15 million copies, 15 million, can you imagine how many people that is, It would take half a year just for you to count to that figure, it's a lot of people, and when a beta platform as secretive as this game was probably tested on hundreds, maybe a few thousand at most, with hundreds...

Is it curved and shows two images, no, f**k off with your overpriced s**t ;) thats just ridiculous, no tv can be worth that amount, you could have a full on cinema room built for that amount.

You can't just post a spoiler, at least let us know what the subject is so that we know whether we can click on it!!!!!!

Heres a cheeky pic. If I lived with someone and we didn't like the same shows, this would be perfect, the sound comes out of the glasses around the ears too. Oh and I don't have the room for the size of set, it is very impressive though. They had a 4k resolution tv too, but nothing showing...

I'm too frightened to log on in case my fine figure of a man has also committed suicide.

It was ALWAYS going to be I'm afraid, there are simply too many people wanting to play it at the beginning to not be. I've said it before it was possible for them to model what would happen on day one and in the first week. the only way this could have gone better would be to stage the release...

Here's an idea, why not just wait until it's all good and people aren't having issues? rather than knowing there's issues and then still bitching about it when it affects you! i am staying on the regular game (remember that 10/10 game, best one ever?) until all the issues are sorted.

Re: PS4 pre-order I'd say, the retailers are now gearing up for only offering bundles with a game, hence the reason everything seems to be starting at £400. Wonder if that bundled game is physical or a code to download it?

Was in John Lewis yesterday and they have a £7k oled tv, but the fucker is curved, and wait for it, you can watch two different programmes on it at the same time, even in 3d, although you do need glasses to do this, I believe the shutter speeds of the glasses are different. It works so well...

Wow, that is seriously geeky, possibly the most geekiest thing I've ever read on the internet. This is comment made me laugh though

is that a f**king spoiler jaff?

Re: PS4 pre-order you do know they have to buy the console to sell it on right? they don't make £400 profit on each one......

anyone seen the footage on cnn from the car chase at the capital building yesterday in the US? looks like a video from GTA, cops surrounding the car, and it makes off and drives around the area.

don't you have to complete some training to unlock the other missions or something? I've not managed to get on to know yet really.

its nicknamed Office 363 in the industry, although the number will be dropping weekly probably ;) I use skydrive (soon to not be called skydrive as MS lost the case against Sky TV) for all my file sharing needs these days, oh and dropbox, both are good.

That'll be fun then, and with everyone trying to get it at the same time it'll probably take 60-90 mins.....