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I prefer the looks external and internal of the CTR - performance wise not much in it - the CTR is better kitted out for the money and ull get more lookks!

Teady - so why is the top speed of the 172/Cup 138MPH then - that has been tested around a proper test circuit with proper timing gear 100s of hopurs put in - not just some geezer from a renault workshop reading the speedo! 138 is the top speed - fair enough if the speedo says 145 then it...

Have u tried or tested that theory mate?

Listen mate, Im only messing with you - there aint much in the two badges - its all fun eh!

the Mk2 official time is 7.2/7.1 for 0-62 therefore you would assume about 6.8 to 60, the Mk 1 was 6.6 to 60 , not 62! The cup is 6.9 to 62 officially, but all notable motoring mags (EvO)have proved that inaccurate with 0-62 in 6.5 which most cup owners will back me up on and agree with!

Once you start messing with the standard suspension - your asking for problems and diffs - u cant lower a car on standard shocks and expect it to perform perfectly - get used to driving the cstandard car and actuallty see how it can be improved rather than lowering for lowerings sake! Save up...

Dont know - I dont have leather seats and climate control - unless one lives in a country with a variable climate throughout the year then climate control is pretty pointless - it depends what and how much you use your car for - if its every day then luxuries are a good thing but idf its for the...

Sorry mate - A/ shopping for new Bras this weekend - and B/Not going over to England to prove what everyone already knows that a standard £12 K car with no girly gadgets in it can beat a heavily modded Cooper S with automatic lipstick and hair curler applicators (costing an optional extra of...

Eddd sent me this - I translated it into English for those who are interested! Engine of series Screwed circuit gasoline with pipings aviation and connections Specific case management Line exhaust with catalyst Unit supports engine and limps speeds renforçés Disc clutch metal...

Had a few tussles with 1.8 Turbo Golfs and A3s/A4s - not very difficult to pull away from at all - evenn the V6 4 Motion/V5 is a doddle - havent met an R32 yet, but its 0-60 is 6.4 I think although Clarkson timed it at 6 dead - ud kinda hope for more than that for a top of the range golf with...

What are the bets this gets Cooper S Boys heckles up!

Evo mag this month has proved yet agian how what a waste of money and a total perfromance rip of the John Works pack for the Cooper S is - to start with the cooper is is a rip of and the 7.7 o-62 time (QUOTE FROM EVO) says it all - not exactly a scorcher is it? And now BMW want another £3000 +...

Who wants luxuries - its about driving not how buttons u can press! The cup is 0.7 at least quicker than the Mk2 - 6 secs dead to 60 is easy in the right conditions................

And me - mailto:tim@knox-clayton.co.uk">tim@knox-clayton.co.uk - cheers! ps the Jean Ragnotti IS what the 172 CUp is called in France BTW - it not a Grp N rally car..

when did this issue come out ie the latest one - I have a subscription so where is it - damn it!

Dont know - u could wait for the temperatures to drop or a big gust of back wind but Id reckon not much more and that was a once of - wont be doing that again...................It wasnt on the limiter though so it has got a bout 500more revs but most cars never tend to reach the limiter in top...

The code number is wrond BTW - it should be 77 11 129 406 - u missed out a one - I just phoned my renault dealer and they have no listing for that part number - how do i order it mate?

And thats 200 hp at the FLY also!

My cup actually hits 68 when its very warm not 70 like I originally posted, but its still good and yeah the 145 is accurate thanks for confirming that mate!

Fitted at the weekend - looks smart under the clio badge offset to right a bit - should have been on to start with! Now where to put the other remaining one £4 for both!

Anyone on here own it? Saw it yesterday parked 500 yards from my work - looks mint - also passed it on Saturday lunchtime last - driver admiring my cup and I was admiring his willy!

Just to put to bed any doubts whether or not it is possible to make a 200BHP cup ......please read this and take it in....a quote I got from Efjie in France EFJIE DISTRIBUTION 7 RUE FENELON 41000 BLOIS TEL 02 54 45 54 45 FAX 02 54 43 22 82 Thank you for email, Prépartion top G r N...

Actually you can..............READ EFJIE DISTRIBUTION 7 RUE FENELON 41000 BLOIS TEL 02 54 45 54 45 FAX 02 54 43 22 82 Thank you for email, Prépartion top G r N Arceau siege harnais suspension fileté kit support moteur durs ligne déchappement prépartion moteur 200 ch...

2005 - bollochs - so whats that then jeremy - looks very much like a new clio or replacement for it to me...........dont think a 2.0 T woukld sell very well fot a "city car" now do you.......... this shape clio aint gonna last the guts of another 2 years - send us some proof and then we might...

Efjie will prepare the cup to Grp N spec for 8000 Euros ! Check out the website http://www.efjie.comwww.efjie.com

ahhh dear - listen to everyone getting their hackles up again..........poor babys..........pop down to boots for a few pacifiers - especially the blue and red ones! Its great not having to go above 2nd on the motorway to reach the legal speed limit! A few seems so sure that MY car doesnt do...

PS - sangys cup has 172BHP at the wheels, a hell of alot more than a 172...............hmm, Neil maybe youre just not driving your cup the way it should be. (ps - u dont have to change up at the wee greeny light thing BTW) ......if your top speed is only 63.8/65, I d consider bringing it back...

Sorry, but unless Im blind - it does infact do just over 70 - so that my friends is the end - we drive the car so it doesnt really matter if everyone elses dont do 70 - ours does, sorry if that offends anyones overinflated ego........dont pass judgement on someone elses times/speeds/info unless...

Well it happened - just accept it mate! I cant see any reason to make something like that up - maybe u got a dud cup.....? Or maybe the grp N elemeent helps, defo does over 65 anyway, but Ill try later myself and see for myself, but I can confrim that the cup will do 145 (got pulled doing that...

Thats what my fiancee managed yesterday - picked me up from work and says "Tim, this car does 72 in 2nd......" Pretty impressive and thats without a raised rev limit or chip - just a grp N green element -getting the cup door badges today and gonna remove the clio badge and replace it with the...