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Wouldnt that be cool. A valver or Willy with a 172 engine. Mmmm......handling and stonking performance. Do it!

Probably cheaest to get a 1.2 (or even a 1.4?!) engine from a breakers rather than paying to repaired your poor smashed up valves :(

Bugger, doesnt sound good :(

Think the 172 engine is the F4R. F7R is the Williams engine. What have you done to the poor 172 then? If youve bust it, Ill buy your side strips off you!

I refer you to the Performance Car of the Year 2002 where the "facelift" 172 MK2 is refered to as having the "idiot grin of a pokemon character". Muahahahaha! Rhys PS: Actually, now I think about it, I had a jelly mould shaped like a rabbit when i was a kid and it did actually look a bit...

Yeah, should have either kept the Cup in Mondial Blue or released another colour exclusive to the Cup. Going to have to spot Silver Cups from the wheels and headlights alone! And Im already sure that the Cup might be an eeny teeny bit faster than the MK1 172, but Ive already proved that there...

Mmmmmmm.......nice!

Nope, also available in Iceberg Silver now. Rhys

Well have two.

Bugger, thought as much!

Jas - did you colour code them in titanium or leave them iceberg? And how much?

mike8579 - if you want to do this, then I think you need to have a thread (if possible and Jas et al are happy) stickyd at the top of the forum for a couple of weeks. It just needs an email address for people to email their comments, names and address to. Bung this info on a spreadsheet along...

Ive noticed that Williams drivers will always flash at the Williams, but I suppose there are a lot less of them around than 172s. Ive had a few successes with 172s, but usually get ignored/dirty looks. Still, feck em!

Yeah, thats because the MKIII is better in every way than the sh*tty MKII.

And in support of KDF.... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mathewroberts/172mk1_0-100.mpg target=z9z13_blankhttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/mathewroberts/172mk1_0-100.mpg Standard 172. Time it yourselves again. And this time you can see its on the flat. And before anyone asks, the speedo is as...

Hmmm.....do MK2 sidestrips fit on a MK1?

Damn right Paddy! Id use the last drop I have to do it :@

Totally agree. Dealer issues and build quality issues need to be addressed. Ill definitely sign. Rhys

Wow, like the photoshopped magnex/bumper thing...

Neils just upset that his Cup is out 1/4 miled by a Saxo and that it cant get away from a MK1 172. Heheheh......ducking for cover again :D

About £20 from Renault i think.

In comparison to other MK2s, my MK2 just wasnt right. Not slow, but not as quick as it should have been. Lower power than others on same day at RR days and slower 1/4 times than others present on the same RWYB day. Im just moving into a house that has a garage just down the road specialising...

Cuppy - meet up if you want and Ill show you. Dont think youll find its much quicker.

Ive found that the ABS in the MK2 172, MK1 172 and Williams 3 are all very different. The Willy actually lets the wheels lock for a fraction of a second before kicking in. If you go as far as triggering the abs, you hear a chirp of locking wheels. The MK2 172 ABS kicked in very very early...

My mk1 goes to 8k on the rev counter, so possibly steer clear! Have to say I love the white dials on the mk1.

My MK1 definitely has more "low end grunt" than my MK2. Absolutely no doubt about it. I still think that my MK2 was a slow one though. Totally agree about the understeer. I think I can iron that out fairly easily, but its a bit annoying. Theres no need for it. Also, if my gearbox ever goes, Im...

b*****d!

Back to the original question, get a MK1 172. Remove spare wheel and you have a car with the same weight as the Cup but with most of the toys of a MK2 172. Then spend £200 on lowering springs and some camber adjustment bolts to sort the handling and youre laughing (as well as having just saved a...

Yup, hang on in there for a better one! In fact, I think BenRs valuation of £150 is probably the most accurate to date. There are lots of Valvers in much better condition than that for the sort of amount that they want. That one is way beyond even being called a sh*tter!