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Thats probably the car labouring at too low revs. Just use first when speeds are very low.

^^ Problem is, they are bloody expensive for something that only lasts 20k. If they were built better, i dare say i might not have bothered with my blueflame. OK its a bit keener, and i think it looks better, and its certainly louder, but i can honestly say it doesnt give me a stiffy or...

Yes, really. Diesels owe their flexibility in part to the big torque figure, yes, but all i am saying is that at the wheels, its taller gearing reduces it close to the levels of a decent petrol. The main difference is though, where it occurs in the rev range. In diesels, it occurs very low in...

DERV owners keep forgetting that while DERVs have high torque figures, torque at the wheels isnt much different due to the higher gearing.

Not in the real world, you wont.

Hmmm... Well i dont buy this power argument, mine has always felt quicker since i got mine on. Also, it didnt sound particularly good when i first got it, but it doesnt sound that bad now, its calmed down and sounds like the OEM one just a bit louder. TBH, i am not sure what i believe on...

One more thing... the more performance you are giving some of these diesels, the worse the fuel economy is getting on them. I know people with Audi's with the VAG V6 TDI in them and they only get into the 30's at best. Yet, they still dont drive as nice as the petrol variant, and, when you can...

The BMW is a very heavy car. Yes it would win if it had 220 bhp, but not by a huge margin. Give the Clio 220 bhp, i'm sure the outcome would be different ;) At the end of the day though, it s not about speed, its about enjoyment. Theres lots of fast diesels around, but they still belch out...

Thing is, i found the fuel consumption disappointing in my vRS when i had it, compared to what i thought it would be. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of owners of these cars have delusions of grandeur, and believe that their cars can out-accelerate almost anything on the road thanks to their ebay...

A clio is never going to feel neck snapping in terms of acceleration, primarily because of its torque figure and torque delivery. Its quite linear in its acceleration, a constant increase in surge from tickover up to its maximum power at 6500 rpm. This kind of power delivery is never going to...

Oh god, not this again :D I've owned a fabia vRS. I've also "benchmarked" my 182 against one on a PH meet. The outcome, not surprisingly, is that the 182 is a much faster car. Anyone who says otherwise either isnt driving a 182 properly, or is talking s**t.

The badge itself looks ok, but for me that just doesnt quite work, i think its the clio badge at the other side. The style just looks totally different, and the whole thing just doesnt work for me. Prefer the originals. Each to their own though.

Mine has really settled down now. Basically it sounds similar to the standard system, just a bit louder. Mine was well raspy, but its really not bad at all now. Plus the car does feel a bit keener. It gets slagged something rotten on here, but personally i think its pretty good for the money...

Yes 277 is an extortion. I paid £110 for mine (not from reno though).

Got my 2nd year service done by a VAT registered dealer, £110. Would never pay main dealer rip off prices ever again TBH.

A few people seem to keep saying "but the 197 is a much better car". Define better. OK its bigger, more comfy and higher quality. But its slow and lacking the fun of the old one. Its missing the point. Anyone who wants a quality car isnt going to buy a Renault, and by losing the very...

Its each to their own really, i prefer the look of lowered cars, but would be reluctant to do so myself for the reasons Tom1 says. Having a decent amount of suspension travel is better for bumpy B-roads.

I own a 182 and have driven a Cupra (test drive from a show room). As said, a remapped one should have ya... but the thing is, the Cupra lacked the fun factor of the Clio. As standard they feel torquey but not quick, because the engine lacks the frantic delivery of the clio's. You feel a lot...

Well maybe you are right. I guess we'll just have to look to cars such as the elise if we want that sort of thing in future, and forgo practicality.

I dont see why that has to be so TBH. Look at the Toyota Aygo / 107 / C1. This is a modern car, with modern safety features, and weighs around 800 kg as standard. Now this is one butt ugly car, but it does prove that a modern machine can be lightweight. Now, beef up the suspension, engine...

A GTI 150 being 1356 KG? FFS, it will hardly move!

Totally agree i still much prefer the purity, responsiveness and honesty of a decent naturally aspirated engine. To me its totally natural to have to rev an engine to get power. This is why i dont get on with DERVs and some petrol turbos, in that the power comes in low down and dies off higher...

Yep :D The Sport (non plus, minus, whatever you want to call it) was the 1.0-litre version :D

Nobody thinks they are better, but i suspect us 2.0 litre boys as you put it have experienced slower cars, so know for a fact they cant do 120 mph. Many years ago I had a Nissan Micra 1.4 16v Sport+ which had 82 bhp in a 850 kg body, and that would rape a 1.2 16v Clio and would keep pace with a...

Same here, although i am not that interested in tuning, and as i said, NA only really works well in a fairly light car, else it has to have a lot more power.

I think i've said it before (or maybe someone else said it), but i think perhaps it should have had a small turbo on it to help it at low revs, say below about 5,500 rpm where its naturally aspirated power takes over afterwards. Think that would have made it a better car.

Think i might rip out my F4R and put a 1.2 in, then it should outdrag a TVR, because while that maxes out at 190 mph, about 100 miles down the road i should have built up enough momentum to be going at least 30 mph faster :D

I agree speedynz, in theory, but the 197 is too heavy and refined and therefore feels very gutless. A naturally aspirated screameer really needs to be lightweight and agile feeling in order to really work, otherwise the refinement and lack of outright grunt will just make it feel boring...

Problem with using torque is that torque at the wheels depends heavily on gearing. Just because a DERV has 200 lb ft of torque doesnt mean much - it has to have taller gearing because it has less revs to play with than a petrol.

^^ Pmsl :d