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Tomorrow, 4pm. ​:approve:

I've known about it from day one...must be something in there somewhere as I'm a stickler for reading s**t like that LOL

RTFM

As said already... He may well have been speeding. He probably was speeding. Does that mean YOU are in the right if you pull out causing him to brake/plough into the back of you? No. It's a contributing factor to the incident...but the main factor is that you pulled out causing him to have to...

+1 Also, if the service history is 'MASSIVE' why not lay it out, photograph it, and stick it up on the advert?

I hear this all the time...what exactly does it mean? What exactly do they do? Do they have some miracle way of mating all of the friction surfaces together, or do they really bench run the engines through hundreds of 'miles' at varying loads?

I'm might get there...depends on if my ST is collected on Saturday or not. ​Should be a good morning.

I went past that too, looked painful.

I was very lucky, had been badgering the salesman to find me an unregistered and unallocated one and he found a dealer demonstrator car in Dagenham that he managed to blag for me. Then the customer's car you see above is delivered to the dealership and they notice the side skirt paint issue...

Well, the wait for the ST was killing me (still another 7 weeks to go minimum) so I've cancelled my order for the Spirit Blue one and have managed to jump the lengthy queue and secured one in this colour instead... All going well I should have it next weekend :D

Me too, so I can have a play with it and get the back moving. From the Chris Harris video, it seems it allows you to do just that.

Unlikely, the engine is a Nissan unit and the 'box is made by Getrag. I'm sure Fred said without too much effort they run a very reliable 350bhp on 24hr race cars. The limiting factor is the torque capability of the 'box...I wouldn't want to be the one that discovers at what point that gives up!

At what point do you try it to see where the limiter is? After 5 minutes once the needle's risen or after 20 minutes?

I would agree, yes. Does that mean just about every single other 'performance' car out there is also a complete fail as there are few others that allow total disconnection of the ESP safety net? I expect it is possible on an AMG or a Porsche RS etc. but on the Audi RS3 or Golf R? The Clio was...

Is that what it is though? I thought it was a Fiesta with a pokey lump under the bonnet. It's not been touted as the ultimate driving machine. That was always the Clio's claim.

For me the difference was circa £3k. Yes the RS Clio comes with more but I wouldn't spend money to get any of the things it includes. Navigation, auto lights/wipers, cruise control...are all of no interest to me at all. I'm quite happy turning a knob or pressing a button to do those things...I...

So long as mine arrives when scheduled (currently around 13th July) I'll be taking it around Goodwood on 10th August. Should be nicely run in then so can have a proper play and see if the ESC 'off' is intruding or if it's just the torque-vectoring trying to be clever.

Yep. I started a "Who'll be tracking their ST?" thread on STOC trying to see if there was a group of track enthusiasts and got one response I think LOL

Always off in the Clio. Never had the option in the 172 Cup so when I first took the 200 out I switched it off from the outset. Around Llandow I did leave it on at first in the wet as the surface/grip levels were unknown...it did permit a fair bit of movement but whenever it did intervene it...

From the video he didn't have any issue getting it out of shape...it certainly wasn't being snatched back on-line. He said it was still trying to 'trim' the line on occasions. I think he's feeling the torque-vectoring...and the brakes nibbling away at the front wheels on the way through a turn...

New one makes the old 200 look very very last decade to me. Would have had one if Renault got their pricing right.

Will be interesting to see what he makes of them when he drives them back to back. For now though he still has a lot of love for the Clio. I think when he does get them out together, the weight of the Clio will count against it. Or maybe it won't as the fancy dampers make it all so manageable...

Half is all my 172 Cup ever got to in 8 years and 125k miles. I thought that was pretty much normal. How do you know you're not getting onto the ''warm' map'?

Top Gear's group test is on the news stands today as well apparently, I'm sure it'll be more of the same. Anyone seen a copy yet?

Cup chassis.

There is no 'Cup' model. They're all the same spec and interior wise. you can specify the 'Cup' chassis which gives different springs/dampers/wheels/tyres...apart from that, everything is he same.

If everything is exactly as it should be, as we've been led to believe, there should only be 40kgs difference between the 200T and the ST. Why is it over 100kgs different? Did Ford over estimate the weight of the Fiesta and Evo have subsequently found out it's a true fly-weight...or, check...

No, you've got it wrong...my 200 only makes 194bhp...proven on a rolling road. The point is...generally what Renault state is some way from reality. Power, weight, whatever. They say it weighs 1,204kgs...it actually weights 1,300kgs. They say they make 200bhp/PS/whatever, they actually make...

I should have got one of them then...my 200 only makes 194bhp (191PS). They made the 200 less powerful then?

Actual LOLS.