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You dont see how what magazines see as one of the best FWD handling cars ever can beat a MK1 172 - which is only a decent hanlding car and not even the best handling clio round a track? LOL The FRP may not be much in straight line but apparently has tonnes of grip. Something a MK1 172 doesnt...

Would have to drive a FRP to get an idea of what its really like - The power figures would put me off but a few have said its faster than given credit for. As far as the milage goes 35k is really low anyway and unless your planning a trip round the world I doubt you will get much trouble with...

1= My Rusty old Fiesta RS Turbo - once chipped was great fun - loads of grip but no suspension give ment you fought it on every road which I loved at the time but its gets tiresome without PAS. Nowhere near as good as the Willie as a Car but as much fun to me. 1= My Williams - On a Dual...

I have now been through around 11 years of car ownership - I cannot beleive I have wasted the amount of money I have on cars. My first was a Mint F reg XR2 (£2,000 and only 4 years old - not bad) in 1993 with £1200 TPFT. I seem to have spent every year since telling friends and family I...

I was actually quite dissapointed - expected it to have some immediate massive difference over my last 2 cars (Fiesta RS Turbo (tuned)/RS1800) but it wasnt really much different on the A roads and Motorways home. It was faster than I thought it would be but more flimsy too. Its on the back roads...

My old Mark 2 16v Gti was Fiesta RS Turbo speed but miles off my Williams. My mate has a 8v and its miles of the Williams and Girlfriends VTS. Great cars tho. I do have one mate with a low pressure Turbo conversion on his mk2 16v Gti. It fairly shifts but has 170bhp on the same road mine got...

Its not common (except on here).

If you are never going to speed anywhere ever why buy a hot-hatch? You will never go over 70mph in this country or on the twisties never over 60mph. Also where I live especially the lorries and buses are restricted to 50mph - so on the 60mph limit were I to stick to it there would be no chance...

My cousin was going to run his car but blew up his RX7 on the qualifying run - after 8 months of work to take it from standard to 500bhp+ he is a touch gutted. The hastle he had to get it ready was crazy - especially the "missing" turbos from the US. Now it needs another rebuild - and another...

Any chance of a PM with the link from someone - I need to order something on my car that Renault deny is there - well the one lad I spoke to anyway!

The A82 from Glasgow to Inverness - goes along Loch Lomond then through Glen Coe area to Fort William - then it follows Loch Ness and the Great Glen to Inverness. 170 miles odd - It covers every road type you can think of just mind the sheep on the Glasgow to Fort William stretch!! Heres a pic...

I had a XR2 as my first car which is probably a VTR equal these days - it was fast for its day but a Cup is a fast starting point. I would advise something a bit tamer for 6 months but its all down to you and what you feel. Something Cup speed would have been classed a supercar when I was 18;)

Well I have only driven a Valver once so im no expert but I find the Williams a nicer size - its not much bigger but it makes a difference. Also the steering turn-in isnt as sharp and make it less hastle to drive on longer distances - we took the VTS took Ullapool last week and found the...

If you want a bigger car then the Clio if not the the 106 Gti. I couldnt live with a 106 having done so before. I always felt like I was in a sardine tin. My Girlfreind prefers my Clio to her VTS and this is her main reason - I wont let her buy anything French tho so no 16v or Williams for her LOL.

OMG - He added together the promises from a Chip, Filter and Exhaust and came up with 210bhp - poor lad. Worst thing is someone will believe it too and buy it. When I was looking for my last car I checked out a few RS2000s that had been modded before going for the Williams - they all has...

I think if mines anything to go by the "2" doesnt quite match the "Williams" for height - it annoys me when I notice it!

Alright MK3COL - I live in Inverness and have a Williams 2 - not the one you looked at tho;) I have heard about another Williams kicking about but my mate worked on it I think and said it was a complete dog. He reckons the engine had some major work done on it, the head or maybe even replaced...

Will be looking for a good comparason between the two once youve given the Willie some miles. A Cup is on the "possibles" list for my next car along with a few others. So someone that owns both is exactly what im looking for;)

Not sure why there isnt a Hot Hatch that has a top speed of 100mph but rapid acceleration to get their. Thats what I want - over 100 is pointless these days.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Opps - I mean the V6 is a great car!

I think its just a general motoring industry thing. My mother was at a Pug garage looking at a 206 and the salesman was extracting the urine - She had spotted a few problems with the car and he had fobbed her off with "dont worry about it - all cars this age have a few dings". She asked him...

First sensable post ive seen for a while from you Steve;)

I predict that this wont be a boring thread LittleChick;)

Welcome Arianne

Well for years ive stuck with Simonz wax and Turtle wax top gloss on top as I could find nothing better. It seems to last over a month before needing reapplied. Autoglym didnt agree with the metallic paintwork on my RS1800 leaving bad swirls - it was only after I discovered that it cut aswell...

Thats a really really good price for a Cup - I got offered far more than for the Williams last week. I doubt I could find a Cup for that price within Scotland. Youve got a bargain - the only thing to worry about is immaculate Renaults are pretty good at falling apart so cross your fingers;)

You didnt have a Mcrae edition scoob by chance Doc?

I think the Williams can only get more exclusive as the arent made anymore - to say they are loosing exclusivity doesnt make sense as there are less of them. 2 completely different cars for 2 completely different price ranges and even completely different purposes. Not really worth comparing.

The wet/dry thing makes a mockery of the top gear times - to assume that all cars will loose the same time in the wet compared to the dry is so wrong.

Have both living in my household and the Williams is quicker. Not massively but its decent enough. In certain areas the peformance is pretty close in others the Willie pulls a decent gap - it really depends where in the revs both are. Its feels harder to keep the VTS going at full pelt where...