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i know. quotation marks gave me a clue ; ).

i bet you would get 100× more looks in a 205 than 200. still look special on the outside at least.

a 205gti is a road car and a 200 was developed with the track in mind. you have missed the point completely its not about ownership and performance stats. ivesaid it enough times ffs.

i dunno what youre perception of raw is, maybe you mean stiff more track setup like. but what we meant is feeling the road through the wheel and seat (something all modern cars lack) every action you do has an effect on the car, no traction control/driver aids deleting inputs just driving at its...

you think a 200 is as raw as a 205? you did say youve driven a 205gti right?

they have similar trates as in light rear end and adjustable with the throttle but the 205 was alot more so. the biggest difference is grip and brakes where the cup kills the 205. the cup will understeer if your clumsy but if you have some talent the rear end can be brought into play on demand...

i was gonna say 172cup 2 live and thats why i bought 1. if it had a cable throttle i reckon it would of hit the jackpot. reminded me of the 205.

ok right the point is its not which car you would own but comparing ability vs time/technology. so is the 200 as scintillating as a 205 was when it was launched?

the oversteer was a big part of the drive and part of the appeal i loved. Aproach roundabout brake hard, get the weight off the back, dab of oppo bit of power and repeat until grin reaches ear to ear. lol i used to finish work at 11pm then go for a blast, my mam used to wait up for me and id...

i never back tracked at all i used evo because every1 has heard of it and use it for a source on car knowledge. i made sure i wasnt slating your own opinion of cars as thats preference but you were claiming they were preferred by every1. i think the point of the thread was lost from the start...

I'm sorry how old do you think I am? I never Had any problems driving my 205 at the limit either maybe the people you knew couldn't drive that well.

I wasn't slating your opinion of the cars just the fact that others don't share your views. I don't like evo I stopped buying it years ago as it's full of s**t, I just used it as an example.

Dude WTF are you talking about? I used evo as an example for today's great cars. If you actually read the thread you will see I've actually owned a 205 and driven most rs's not 200 but a 197f1 which is very similar. I may not of been around aslong as 2live and owned alot of iconic cars but...

None because they wernt great they were just good in a few peoples views. Having not being around at the launch I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure the 309 was in the shadow of the 205 all it's life. So I'd say although you may think it was better a lot of people don't hence the 205 still...

not yet. It's with Sony now so upto them when/if the release it. I reckon something is going down and a lot of people are going to get banned.

He started off well with a Williams but now he's just talking nonsense.

Check the part that says not definitive. I'd say a great car has never ever just been forgotten but in your opinion the valver knocked the 205gti off the top spot but only you remember it. Lol

You're the only man ever to claim a valver was better than a 205. Car wise most people wouldn't even remember a valver existed. For an example (not definitive) check evos list of cars in the back. Is the valver even listed? No because no1 else agrees with what you just blurted out.

fugly things arnt they. i am starting to appreciate old cars more now and looks in good condition.

would a williams of even been made if it wasnt for the 205gti? i think renault would of left it at the valver but they wanted to build a car to better the 205.

when i was hunting for an integra type r i was the same. think when a car gets to a certain age you have to except there will be blemishes. id pass on the ones with missing services but no cambelt isnt a bad thing if you negotiate in the price, then you know where and exactly whats been changed.

yeah quite a few. scarborough has a hillclimb circuit thats open to the public all year round. always wanted to go there in my car. olivers mount iirc.

were some of them trying to crash on purpose? lol ibrench school of driving.

will do fella.

Haha yeah the old no weighted throttle it's a classic. Lol when I replaced my discs and pads the pads where dust and discs all purple and cracked. Never even seen that on another car since.

It's worth it for the visuals dude. Seems a very well made game unlike some FPS I could mention. And dedi servers online too.

Played s and d on this last night. Such a waste of time when Americans are on a whole clip and they don't die. f**king yanks. They were calling me' the angry Brit. Lol

I went for the collectors edition with the extra online maps as I probes would of bought them anyway. Still downloading so haven't played it yet but looks awsome.

Obvious the 8v. Although fast the mi16 is heavy over the front wheels. So it's taking a quality away from the 205.

It was the the brakes on my 1.6 that let it down. Drums on the back compared to discs all round. I updated them but they were still poor. Think there is a slight weight difference between 1.6 and 1.9 on paper dunno how accurate that is.