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Good come back. You concisely addressed my point. Oh, wait.......

Investigate all coilover opptions before going straight to AST's. All I'll say on the subject.

The ph2 172 and the 182 look identical bar the exhaust (uprated exhausts are cheaper for the 172). There are also more coilover options for the 172 compared to the 182 with cup suspension.

Different day, different drivers? Thanks for a pointless post. Evo tested the Trophy against the 197cup, same day, same driver. I'll let you guess which was quicker.

If it's purely for track, 100% correct. if it'll be used on the road, it's a non-starter.

You're entitled to your thoughts fella. But the 200 excites me far more than the 197. I've driven plenty of 197's, left each one glad to get back in my 172. Wouldn't mind the front end looks from one though lol n

Mr alant clearly wants to be a mod imo, when he succeeds no doubt I'll be perma-banned :(.

No. Poor to drive, ergo I waited for the ugly update. I have driven them on track, plenty of times in the 1*2's. the 197 will cost a lot more to run on track. Whilst being no quicker. And less fun. I can't think of why anyone would pick a heavier, slower car as the basis for a track car. End...

Forgetting that A) he's comparing a fwd hot hatch to a powerful rwd car B) you can't have big power without big weight with crazy expense due to use of exotic materials.

God, here we go. A 911 turbo is not a great track car, if it were the gt3 wouldn't exist. Did you track your Clio?

You're nuts, honestly. The brakes are not 'poop'. They fade with track use (any roads car will). But they are not 'poop'. Did you do track days in your clios?

Nice car!

Christ on a bike. I hope you don't breed ;). The 197cup is still a lot heavier than a 172.

Not the point in all honesty. Standard for standard the 182 may be slightly quicker. But it's miles more fun. And miles more interactive. And cheaper to boot. The mk3's are too heavy, end of discussion! Yes the mk3's are better at the day to day, but listening to you guys would make you think a...

When the 172 was 1st tested by autocar, the braking distance tests were better than the f355 and 993 carerra. They're fine.

So why are you leaving ;). Seriously dude, so many s**t threads. It's not pointless bashing, it's simply a crap video and a crap thread. In the £8k car thread you made some very good, well thought out points, and received no flak as a result. In fact, I think most agreed with you. From what...

Get rid of the 197, you just can't beat physics and it weighs too f**king much! Get a cheap ph1. Chuck some great suspension at it, pads discs and lines. Don't strip the f**k out of it, it'll be unbearable. I'll pm you what I did to mine. Absolutely perfect balance. Not too harsh for road...

Jesus Christ. If I can find him, can we bring back lusty and swap him for this guy?

Depends on how many miles they've covered and what condition they are in. I'd say £450-550 roughly. For new price, check somewhere that sells them!

Racist.

Having looked at the options, they'll be going black.

It was a cancelled order, arrived as is.

A fictional autoexpress composite?

More likely the flux capacitor. You didn't go above 88mph did you?

All run effectively the same engine (small differences). Do not get a 172/182 if you want plenty of power. They are expensive for small gains. I'd get a CTR or something with boost if engine mods are in the pipeline.

Best thing about the 172cup is the standard suspension. I'd say if staying standard, the cup's a good option. If not, get a 172 or non-cup 182 (more suspension options than the cupped car). Having owned most of them, a ph1 172 is the car to get if you're modifying. Cheaper to start with...

Clearly wasn't a cup.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?325182-mobile-mechanic-B-ham-solihull&highlight= Or give Fred a call.

There's a member on here, based in Birmingham that's a mobile mech, scott, I'll try and find his details.

No idea what this is, but looked bloody mean!