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Wrong, the 182cup was the basis for the Trophy. Hence no climate/xenons/auto wipers etc.

This is one of the great enthusiast’s cars and it demands evaluation alongside cars of similarly focused appeal. Porsche owners will scoff at such a suggestion, but they will modify their opinion after a 20-mile drive trying, and failing, to remove a Clio from their rear-view mirror. What a car...

Old as the hills.

Track tuition on every new track I've been to, and a couple of days training with cadence.

PM Fred, runs these on the dynacup IIRC

I had to lol. Completely true, but utterly irrelevant.

Playschool's my 1st car project?

IIRC, those are vertical lift thrusters. Like a Harrier. You f**king idiots.

You'd still require a booster seat!

Toy car?

Evo timed the 182cup slightly quicker than the Trophy around Bedford (old track configuration). Seeing as whenever the point is made (1*2 v 197) the first thing mentioned is "it wasn't a cupped 197" etc, only fair to use the mostup to date version of the 182, no?

Yep, 4x100

Money laundering

Current one looks good, not sure on this. The ph1 seems to draw the eye horizontally, makes the car look squat/wider. The facelift seems to draw the eye vertically, makes it look taller/thinner. Love the Meg though.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=398898&highlight=megane

Not as forgiving, but the limits are higher. I got rid of mine, as I didn't have more fun on them, and they increase wear on parts like bearings etc due to the increased grip.

Repost-age. Was up yesterday with pics of the meg as well.

No, csl bumper doesn't have the recessed bit

Impossible to say. Too many variables (weather, temp, etc)

R888's aren't necessarily about fun, they are about speed and grip.

Helps that I'm the new Narain Karthikeyan, I could do sub 8 mins at the ring in the wife's Rover 25, whilst throwing gang signs at all the Clio's I go past.

So you dis-regard every article that doesn't agree with you? How about the performance car article? Direct Trophy Vs 197 on the same day? Or the Evo lap times, again, same driver, same day? Not saying it's a bad car, but everytime you post you make out the 197 is the best thing since sliced...

I can vouch for mikey's quality, spot on. When you consider the prices of ktec etc, £100 is a bargain.

Always difficult comparing a car on tired dampers with a brand new one. I don't think the 182 would be ranked as one of the best ever hot hatches if the handling was that bad?

Not criticising fella. We all have different preferences, mine make the 1*2 a better choice for me. Doesn't make it the better car full stop.

Exactly, it isn't for everyone. What I do find strange, is that for year people on here were criticising the Civic Type R for relatively numb steering and a relative lack of mid-range. Now those sort of faults aren't important.

The argument will go on until the next clio comes out! There's not much in it pace wise, it's personal preference. Few facts, the 197 has a better interior, is better under braking, handles well. The Trophy is more economical, more feedback, handles well. The end result is that over a lap...

IMO, the 197 looks great, great interior, great brakes, sounds better than a 1*2. All the cars I've driven haven't felt as urgent/immediate as 1*2. But the big thing that would (and has) stopped me getting one, is the relative lack of feedback. I found the steering numb, and I just couldn't get...