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I went for the garmin 250, 115 notes on amazon and full european mapping.

Brake wear figures are normally bs, took mine for a service the day after Fred had fitted new pads and discs, to be told they were 50-60% worn and would need replacing at the next service!

What killed it for me is when they tested the 197 against the Cooper S, Corsa VXR, and the Ibiza Cupra, and they all pulled away from it. I don't care if a hot hatch isn't the quickest, but thats ridiculous.

Those surveys are flawed, most people have much higher expectations of an Audi than a Honda, so they mark more harshly as a result.

Why spend 15k on a car that still has the bulk of it's depreciation to do? Buy a V6 at that price, fuel bills will be higher but the lower depreciation will more than offset that. Or a 350z, Golf GTI etc etc.

Driven a 197 a few times. Feels a lot more of a grown up car, I (my opinion) feel it's got too much grip, so you only notice how good the chassis is when your absolutely caining it. It needs a more powerful engine, it's a bit like a Boxster (in that it's under-engined/over chassised), ie the...

One on ebay's not a r27, standard seats.

Saw a Ferrari 360 last night, dirtier than that. Had more respect because he's actually using it! Looked f**king mean.

Pa!!! You can't buy a vee till I have, your only allowed to buy cars that I've had!

Don't buy a Vee Riz, you'll look like Noddy with your weird sit forwards driving position.

Bull! How old is Paul Newman, he still races.

Yeah, Vantage (my dad's), but I get to play with it!

Aston's do seem to lower the tone.

Cheers:). Looks good.

Still can't find it:(

Any pics?

Doh! Got prices wrong! The Garmin 250 is £180 in shops, £115 from Amazon, so just over half the price of the tom tom! Forgot to mention the Garmin is preloaded with camera locations, but you can also update them

Garmin Nuvi 250. European and english maps included. Update speed cam info weekly from pocketgspworld. About £280 in the shops, I got it for £215 from Amazon, works in the clio's.

I've had a 182 and a 172. Bugger all in it. My 172 felt quicker because it had more miles on it, 182 felt stiffer but you're comparing 40k old dampers to brand new ones. I'm buying another now, and going for a 172. Like for like mileage they're about 2k cheaper. 2k=coilovers and trackdays!

Don't the cup racers have a lower red line than the stock cars? I was told best change up point is at revs that give peak power?

Doh!! Forgot to put size's up. Too late now. Bugger.

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Leave it with me, I'll look after it!;)

But surely when you work out the cost to change, that would cover any parts that need replacing. The white cup looks awesome, but the trophy's a legend!

It does clean your engine, thats why I use it. Car feels perkier to me, but everyone has an opinion on this. All the tests I've read show small, but measurable improvments in acceleration.

Just about to buy my third rs, love em! I'd drive the newest, lowest mileage car you can just to get a feel of how they should be, then you've got something to compare to when you're looking.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/314239.htm Bit of a treck, but bargain IMO. £4695 before haggling for a 35000 mile 172. Even if you budget for a cambelt change it's still a serious bargain.

Try a Rallye;) .Selling mine at the mo, just after a better everyday car. I've owned a ph2 172 and a 182 cup before, and there's nothing in it for straight line speed. But, IMHO, the 306 is a far more entertaining car when you're going for it, better steering, driving position, and great lift...

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=283083 http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=278533 Both much better deals, less mileage and less cash!!

Nice colour! I'm getting one in the same colour, same age but only 40k miles for £5600, so I'd say your paying over the odds. Pick mine up on the 20th, can't wait!