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Had iceburg 172, got rid of that because I fell in love with a RB182. Sold that to free up cash for business, been running around in a 306 rallye since then.

I'd be scared of finding you in my garage, dribbling

Picked it up, really happy. Mint condition, interior's spotless. Feels much younger than it is, but I don't think the prev owner drove it very hard, 37.5 mpg! Just need to get some decent rubber on and book a track day.

I'm bored, come and polish my hood;)

Still a cutey pie though.

It because you're gay with fat fingers.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm F50. F1 engine.

Think you could get 5.5k, so I'd put it up at 5.8 so you can haggle. If you get 5.5 your happy, and the buyer feels they've got a good deal too.

True, but in my experience, it's only people with knowledge that appreciate those things. Had nothing but timewasters with my 182, until someone off here bought it.

Picking up an 03 172, 40k miles, mint cndn for a fair bit less than 5995.

Picking up a new (old!) car later, 03 Monaco Blue 172. 40k miles, mint condition. Can't wait, will be my 3rd clio sport in 4 years.

Whats with the black strip under the cup badge?

I'd explain it's a Renault wheel as fitted to other editions.

Do all seq boxes sound that rough?

Agree on all but the 997 comparison, the difference between Turbo, GT3, GT2 are quite significant, difference between a 197 with cup suspension, R27, and a cup? Mechanically nil, just interior.

Agreed, too heavy for a hot hatch. Was looking for a new car recently, but not a single new hot hatch appeals. If I had to buy one, it would be an R27, but it just doesn't excite me enough. When the 182 came out, I had to have one, not a single hot hatch does that for me now.

To be fair, it's not far off the 172 cup spec. No air con, no leather, no keyless entry etc. Losing ABS is hardly gonna knock much weight off. I see it more as the starting spec 197. If you let other models in the range have the cup suspension, it's gonna take some shine off the cup model.

Dead easy, have a seach there's a guide somewhere.

Wasn't having a dig at your choice Lee, was just talking about the article in general. I had a new 182cup when they came out, which wasn't exactly a popular choice!

Love that argument. If my opinion doesn't agree with yours, it's not valid as I obviously can't afford one. Ok:S .

Can you do whole dash conversion? How much, how long to do etc?

1.6% weight saving according to the article! Why the hell anyone would put up with a naff interior, no air con etc for that type of weight saving is beyond me. Unpainted side strips:dead: .

Drive them both, get which you prefer.

To save weight? Surely there's bugger all difference in weight between air con and climate? Think it was more likely to keep costs down, to off set the cost of the suspension.

Love the sound!

Size of 300 hot dogs!

What difference do the sportlines make? Had them on my 182cup, but as it was lower than a 172 anyway I imagine these make more of a difference?

In a straight line, a new s3 would tear a 197 a new one! Isn't it ~15s to 100? On a twisty back road it will be closer, but no chance in a straight line.

Wasn't there a pic a year back of a Trophy with a trailer on the back?

Check out the old dear in the 1st pic "Yeah, dem vortex generators on me roof is wicked"