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Welcome mate. they're definitely value for money at the moment.

He wasn't doing too badly until he got to that last statement.

More car and less background/foreground needed imo, quality seems pretty decent though.

Nice project! Have you heard of a guy called Al Taylor from Cannock who Turbo'd a red valver a few years back? Mental when it was finished, took it to the 'Ring too!

Can't beat the Yanks for a good exhaust note...

Here's Warren chasing me in his Ph1...

+1 Mine were fine at a very wet Oulton Park in the 197.

Scotts Caerfai Bay picture has got my vote so far.

Gallardo was very disappointing for me.. It felt like a quick Audi TT, then again... I'd go Caterham.

Can't argue with that, not far off my opinion really.

I didn't say it was quicker, and I agree with you... My Ignis was more 'fun' than any Clio I've owned.

Okay, well I've had both so I'll add my opinion... - The 172/182 feels faster because of the size and weight advantage and sensation of speed makes it more exciting when you're going quickly. - The 197 is more planted with superior brakes so braking distances are shorter and cornering speeds...

I had to turn it off, it was making my bank balance quiver!

Overreaction much?

I've several trackdays on V12 EVO's and I rate them.

This one had a private plate, V6 *** I think. I see one with Playboy stickers and plate too... Odd!

About lunchtime today, parked in a layby on the A34.

That's going to look superb when it's finished!

I can't promise I'll bring you a cooked turkey, Daveski...you might have to find your own hot bird.

I had KW v1 coilovers and removed the rear seats, I was running V12 EVO's at the time. I'm just saying that the Ph1 isn't significantly quicker like some people think. Warren was surprised but pleased, we spent the whole day playing cat and mouse. Then again, we played cat and mouse in his 200...

Warren (force india/brown bear) had a Ph1 172 all stripped out with KW v3 coilovers and brand new RS2's. Could he drive? Yes. Was it good on track? Yes. Could he pull away from my 197? No. Same applies to Freds Dynacup, he said he wasn't 100% happy with the set-up on the day but I was all over him.

We're pretty much agreeing here, a 197 with the right mods is a nice car to own. It's a shame they're so thirsty in relation to a Mk2 and have a gearbox made by Thorntons.

Going from a 182 the 197 did feel slower, fact. Once I'd fitted the coilovers, mapped it and stripped it out however it was a completely different animal. So controllable and 'thrashable' it was awesome.

I never complete anythi

Sound very nice. Seeing them together like that makes me think 'fleet car' lol.

Re: Astra Vxr & Clio Sport I think VXR's look and sound lovely. ...My love ends there though.

That's impressive, I want to borrow one for a week and see if I can rekindle the love!

One for the teens.

Pretty much the same, the way they behave is very different though. The 197 needs revving more and feels much more planted, especially at higher speeds. Because of this they feel slower, but in reality they're not.

It depends what you value in a car? Expect better build quality, better brakes, more stability, poorer economy and they don't 'feel' as quick.