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as above less than £100 for an OptiPlex with a core2duo and stick 2gb of ram in it that's what ive been doing recently for people looking for systems works out much cheaper than building with current new budget kit
I posted up about building a F4R kangoo 4x4 a few years back and basically got told to forget it as the drive train is horribly fragile
the diesel doesn't have more torque than the F4R as said above, it was a detuned 1.9 dci with only 130lb/ft, 20 less than a standard 172
my first ph2 172,
ITG Pannel filter, Samco Bend, AWT matched inlets, 182 exhaust manifold, Ktec Decat/link pipe & Ktec stealth
and the 200 standard bar a Pipercross panel filter
yeah totally ive had F1s on most of my clios at some point and always loved it but for some reason it just didn't look right on this!
ive had a few 172's and always spent a bit of cash on them then sold them and never got them where I wanted, but this time I decided ill go for it. clutch needs...
cheers guys, its a real different car from the shed I picked up :)
although it does owe me about £4000 now inc buying it, but it was always a keeper from the beggining
Update: Done 5000 miles in it since I bought it and so far its been pretty reliable, well for a Clio!!!! all its needed in 5000 miles/6 months is rear discs/bearings, 2 driveshafts, warranty replacement on one of the new shafts a month later, front wheel bearings, reverse light switch and a coil...