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PMSL Now that's what I like about this forum....brutal but to the point

Easily sorted...I was expecting some bodykit horror show

I'd go for the Trophy as well

Looks very nice:)

I've been using car forums for years now and it's the same old story. I do find this forum a f**king good laugh....there are good people on here who do have a good sense of humour. Sometimes though you have to take the rough with the smooth...there's always going to be the odd person your just...

Oh dear I wouldn't go as far as calling us all teenage spotty pr*cks....about 80/90% on here are though and that's what makes is such an amusing forum:) As for the cup thing...I knew I wasn't going to track my car so didn't buy one......quicker or not I just hate the low rent seats.

In other words it hasn't got enough mid range and long gearing for average joe to cruise at 100 plus like the do on their VW & BMW diesels

lol More pointless speculation

As brilliant as the 197 obviously is this version is not different enough is it? The Trophy seemed to be a big step up handling wise due to those dampers but what new tricks has this special edition 197 got up it's sleeve to convince us lot?

Here we go again

Yeah.....that torque curve is pretty odd

Why am I going to waste my time test driving it...I'm not stupid enough to buy a brand new car from Renault. Have you test driven the new 197 F1 edition?

Mine is on permanently now (172) Going to buy a OBD reader and clear the fault

Looks good

Good second car but way to impractical for me

Quite economical and fun to drive Go for it if you can afford the insurance....that's going to be your biggest problem at 21.

Trophy probably the only one which will hold it's value Rest will plummet

Sorry but I think the sunstrip and wheels look a bit naff

Kind of sums it up really...we all must have been falling off the roads back in the 80s/early 90s without abs lol

I thought 172s & 182s were 16 and the cup was 17 due to the severity of the dangers involved with no abs and TC