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LOL at co-driver "oh dear god"

Sports are lower, and the ride is busier. Pro's lower very slightly, but the ride is better and the handling is better. IMO, the standard 172 feels very wallowy floaty at high speed compared to a car on pro's.

In a straight line, nothing else at the same price will be quicker.

Not likely. From experience, good car, great engine, but (especially with runflats) just too stiff across the front, lots of wheelspin and washes into understeer if your clumsy.

I have a 172, my cousin has the cooper s. The mini will pull, slowly.

Audi-complex just because they can.

I've owned both, deffo pro's. Especially given town driving.

Overkill. It's a light car,

Driven both. Pro's every time, better handling and ride.

Used Toyo's, soft, lack grip in the wet, generally poor. People can't seriously be naive enough to believe that a product half the price is as good? F1's (gsd3's) are great, but you have to play around with the pressures. If you do want to save cash, go halfway and get pirelli pzero's. Country...

And the Turbo style wider rear arches. I like, but my taste is balls, I like clio's.

You still got your plastic car?

Guy I know loves cars, does regular track days, but due to an old back injury can't drive a manual (very poor left leg mobility). He uses an auto 997, used to have an auto Evo. So I think you've got to appreciate people's differing needs. Very rich coming from someone driving an automatic 3...

1st shot should be used as THE demonstration of understeer.

Nearly as much stuck on plastic as yours.

But worth the cost/hassle? I agree would be awesome, but if you threw the same amount of cash at an R26 it would be better still?

TBH why bother? Just spend a little bit extra and get the R26. Quicker, better handling.

That's not the point though! A C4s is a very different car to a GT3. The price gap being small only shows that they appeal to different markets. You may see the GT3 as perfectly usable, but many wouldn't. Could be an auto for example.

No, because a 1.2 clio isn't a sports car, and a vee is a completely different car.

Too true. I drove today, awesome.