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20kgs might not sound much to make a big deal over but the GTI6 is only 15kgs more than the Rallye is it not. 80Kgs on the 172 Cup is more of a deal because its around the weight of an average person. Wouldnt 172 Cup with the 182 mainifold be the quickist of all?

Top of the range normal Clio has a little light in the speaker grills

My Cup is only 9k and has done 2800 Miles.

JONGSR4 has owned a VTS and his friend owned a PH1 Valver. The VTS had the edge all the time. Both standard

Yeah Id buy a VTS over a valver any day of the week! Maybe not a Williams but a valver hell yeah! Vtss are cheap to run/insure/service and are very very underated. Ignore the chav image! They cant afford to insure the vts!

I think the pre-face lift VTSs (P-V) are lighter.

Their like small Pulsars

True but the 4 star safety rating for the 172 stands out for me.

That was the ones JC drove. The stig tested one with all the stickers on.

Merry Christmas. Do look like the one The Stig drove but the reg is different I think.

In that track times list yeah!! But theyve tested cheaper cars on the program!!!!

Coverthe whole fecking car in grease! Fecking Renaults!

1:33 the 182

or feck it and buy a Cup and go fast! ;)

35 Best 17 Worst.

The williams interior looks totally out of place in anything expect a 16v or Williams Theres a 1.2 Prima round here with it in. Looks rubbish.

Inferno

At least they salt the roads where you guys are. Down here they dont do it until its way too late! Too busy dishing out money at the home office to worry about the state of the roads down here!

True, but it is Evo (all about performance and nothing else) I know id perfer I normal 172 instead of my 172 Cup round here (Croydon - Pothole City). The Cup is too hard for this area. Stuff the handling!

Think a Cupped 182 will hold its valve a bit better because people buying second hand will look out of that option. EVO reckon the Cup pack is a must-have and Renault should have fitted it standard. imo.

The oil in my Cup wasnt the right oil the engine should have! Way too thin! Typical Renult rubbish! I had it changed early.

Clio Cup springs? As in Clio 172 Cup or from the Race cars.

:oops:Its too much for me

How does that queen song go?

Not a lot though. Not compared to how much cheaper they were new.

Golf!

I was asking! "Would.............." This is moving into other marques!

Would a Megane 225 not scalp a standard LCR pretty well? Not really up on the spec of the Megane. The New Astra VXR looks like it could kick a few butts to. 240bhp...

1 Sec is a long time in motor as dear old murray used to say. ;)

Nah way. The S3s where about £25k or something. The new RS3s gonna be the beast of all hot hatches I reckon.