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:oops:sh*t, sorry guys, never meant to start an argument, its just in the West of scotland, VTRs are so common, i hardly ever see a normal one, can u get them? only see VTRs n VTSs, wierd. Saw a Lowered Citreon AX today cumin home from glasgow, 1.1, lol looked pretty cool tho :confused: Also, is...