1.2 16v to a 1.6 16v ??

[BREMBO]

What are peoples opinions on going from a 1.2 to a 1.6 ??

I’m thinking of upgrading to a 1.6 possibly taking all the parts from my current Clio onto a 1.6 is this possible…..

• Is the bodywork the same ??
• Coilovers – Different for a 1.6 ??
• Differences from the 1.2 compared to the 1.6 ??
• Anything I should take into consideration ??

Is it a good idea ??

I personally think it is. I get a faster car less miles on the clock and hopefully a new project on my hands which I will enjoy also possible upgrades to the engine with bigger differences to the 1.2

Post Away people, help needed

Thanks
Ben

 

[AlexS]

Drop Steve (S Garbett) a pm he has just done this and is in the process of swapping his bits over.

 

[BREMBO]

Just done that thanks

Opinions though would be very helpful ??

 

[ChrisPearson]

Yeh go for it if you can get a mint one.Dont pay loads more than what you sell your car for though!

Bodywork is same if you get a newish one you may get rear disks.Coiloovers should fit fine same hub size on all mk2 ph2 non rs iirc.

 

[nth]

imo
if your going to go faster then you might aswel go all the way and go for a 2.0 providing insurance etc isnt a problem. . .at least you will have something slightly different interior etc, with the 1.6 its pretty much the same thing just faster. . .
how much where you intending to spend?

 

[BREMBO]

Looking at the 1.6 there is a 55 plate with warrant for £4800 so could probaly could it for £4500 and it had just under 30k miles on it

 

[nth]

low millage is a + but the cars quite young :/
. . .gna go for it?

 

[Alan]

Wait another year or so and just go for a 172/182 mate, you'll be bored of the 1.6 before long...remember its only 35bhp more than your 1.2..

 

[clio__chris]

cant help but agree (and i have a 1.6)

may as well just keep urs (assuming theres no problems with it) and buy a 172 a little way down the line. You may end up with a dog of a 1.6 and wish u kept ur 1.2 and for a little extra speed, personally i wouldnt bother

 

[Iridium]

I dunno, it's quite a nice step to be fair. I did this (albeit not with clios) and went to a 1.6 16v 206 from my first car (ok, my first car was a 1.6 405 heh, but it was exactly the same in a straight line as my mates 1.2 16v Corsas and Clios ) and the difference was quite a lot. Loved that 206 It was a comfortable chunk faster than friends 1.2s as well. Ok, it's only 35bhp but you have to remember that's almost 50% more power than the 1.2s so it makes quite a difference...

Dan

 

[BREMBO]

Wait another year or so and just go for a 172/182 mate, you'll be bored of the 1.6 before long...remember its only 35bhp more than your 1.2..

Your right but insurance for the sport is much more than the 1.6 and if I can break even or make a profit it seems a good idea. Also miles on my car are starting to rack up.

 

[BREMBO]

Will performance be a lot diffrent ??

 

[clairemae]

I'd go for a 172/182 I have a 1.2 and thats what i plan to do in a year or so when insurance is cheaper, i'd just regret getting a 1.6 when i could have a 2.0

 

[Hoppy]

id personally save for a 172/182 mate.
although my cousin had a fiesta 1.25 zetec and after 1 year of driving has changed to a fiesta 1.6 zetec s and he seems to be in love. yes quicker and the insurnace worked out to be cheaper due to his one year of driving. infact it nearly halved.
its just whether you want that bit more power or whether you can be patient and wait for even more power and a better car.

 

[Pep]

theres a massive difference mate.

better suspension and steering as standard, feel miles better on the road.
insurance on a 1.6 is the same as my 1.2!

 

[Poopensharten]

Why dont you buy a C2 GT? I know its not a clio but it too is a 1600cc but its more race/rally orientated depending on how you look at it!

Its got slightly more tourqe than the clio and you get some funky white alloys which are a b**ch to clean by the way.

I owned one for a year when i was 18 and it was great, fuel economy was f**k all and it was really quite fast for a 1.6!

Interiors good too, nice half buckets hold you tight!

 

[Iridium]

Will performance be a lot diffrent ??

Like I posted up there, it's got a nigh on 50% power hike over the 1.2.

Dan

 

[Poopensharten]

50%??? As much as that? Im assuming being a 1.6 16v the clio would be 105-109bhp?

and the clio he has at the moment is 75bhp?

 

[Englebert]

It's still s**t slow, why bother.

 

[theduck]

Having done this, I can say you will love the increase in perfomance. I loved my 1600 clio. That measley 35bhp increase - which 172 owners pay thousands and thousands of pounds for - is a massive increase when coming from a car with only 75bhp. So all of you who flame the younger members who cant afford to buy or run a 1*2 should STFU unless you are going to give the kid proper advice.

 

[mini-valver]

Theyre all slow on the grand scheme of things. My 1.6 was exactly the same to 100 as a mates valver when I had a Prospeed, de-cat, inlets matched and IK. Pokey cars mate, definate increas over the 1.2 in power and handling. Bigger ARB's, stiffer dampers etc....

 

[Iridium]

It's still s**t slow, why bother.

Ferrari owners say the same about your M3.

1.6 16v - 110bhp, 1.2 16v 75bhp. 50% would be a 37.5bhp difference, but it's close enough heh.

Dan

 

[BREMBO]

Thanks for all the advice. Iam very tempted and I personally think its a good idea. It also means I can have a project car with less miles and hopefully not loose any money then in a year hopefully upgrade to a 2litre sport

 

[BREMBO]

I guess the main thing I wanted to now that the performance gains/upgrades are worth it

 

[mini-valver]

They are mate. My car was surprisingly quick, pulled ckeanly to an indicated 130....

Not rapid but quick enough. Sae pace to 90ish as a ST170. Raced my mates Ibiza Cupra too 156bhp, just had a catback and viper, nothing in it from top of second to the top of 4th, then we slowed for a rounabout.

 

[Timmay]

Looking at the 1.6 there is a 55 plate with warrant for £4800 so could probaly could it for £4500 and it had just under 30k miles on it

get it bought - the 1.6 is a farking great car - its what i had first

 

[Chrisjk]

I went from 1.2 to 1.6, its a fair bit quicker. I couldnt get cheap insurance on a 172 at the time and the 1.6 was the same price as my old 1.2 so it made sense.

 

[Pep]

I guess the main thing I wanted to now that the performance gains/upgrades are worth it

Definately worth it mate, they are world apart in the real world.

As for the people saying go straight to a 172.182 instead because you'll be buying the same car with a slightly bigger engine, thts all a sport is with different coloured seats and a different steering wheel! If iyt works out financially then get one. Wish I could afford to swap my car for one, but more important things to buy at the minute.

 

[BREMBO]

Thanks everybody

 

[Englebert]

It's still s**t slow, why bother.

Ferrari owners say the same about your M3.

1.6 16v - 110bhp, 1.2 16v 75bhp. 50% would be a 37.5bhp difference, but it's close enough heh.

Dan

That is a ridiculous comparison though. You're also basing it purely on BHP. The difference in between a 1.6 and 172 in the second hand market is minimal. Lets remember how much more the Sport model has over the 1.6...

If you base the comparison on BHP alone, you will get used to the increase in BHP in about a week, and you're back at square one except you've just forked out on a different car in a higher insurance group.

At the end of the day, i've been there done that. Take a holiday, or be patient and save your money.

 

[Iridium]

^^^

But he's also considering money.

Dan

 

[Alan]

Ferrari owners say the same about your M3.

1.6 16v - 110bhp, 1.2 16v 75bhp. 50% would be a 37.5bhp difference, but it's close enough heh.

Dan

That is a ridiculous comparison though. You're also basing it purely on BHP. The difference in between a 1.6 and 172 in the second hand market is minimal. Lets remember how much more the Sport model has over the 1.6...

If you base the comparison on BHP alone, you will get used to the increase in BHP in about a week, and you're back at square one except you've just forked out on a different car in a higher insurance group.

At the end of the day, i've been there done that. Take a holiday, or be patient and save your money.

I agree with every point there mate, and the person who's getting personal comparing rarri's to the M3...really are we in high school??

 

[RichRSi]

Thanks for all the advice. Iam very tempted and I personally think its a good idea. It also means I can have a project car with less miles and hopefully not loose any money then in a year hopefully upgrade to a 2litre sport

If you seriously are going to do that I wouldn't bother changing to the 1.6 now, it will feel like a quicker car but it's not worth it short term. I'm saying this and I own a 1.6 16v.
I would just wait a year, 12 months is nothing really, and get the car you really want.

My advice would be; save on the tax, insurance and fuel by driving the 1.2, flog your bits from your 1.2, whack your money in an ISA and sell the car near to when you've got enough to by a good low mileage 172/182.

 

[Beef-Mc]

My advice would be, do what you feel happy with.

You can sell the 1.2 de-modded, buy a 55 plate which has warranty add your mods then hopefully sell the car on for more or equal to what you bought it for. Then move onto a 1*2 if that's the route your hoping for.

If your only wanting to upgrade to keep up with your mates etc, then IMO it's not worth upgrading to the 1.6.

Just my 2p.

 

[bmh.01]

My advice would be doooooo it! I went 1.2->1.6->2.0, there is a world of difference between the 1.2 and 1.6 and all/most of the things will swap over from the two. I couldn't stand the slowness of the 1.2 after 10 months but even after another year I still felt the 1.6 was quick enough for me to not slit my wrists. Its just then I came up with the idea of going to look at a 172 when I was bored on saturday (and never looked back since).

 

[BREMBO]

The only things I can think of that wont fit over would be coilovers and induction kit ??

Apart from that bodyparts would be fine ??

 

[Beef-Mc]

Body parts are all the sma eon the ph2 range.

Coilovers and induction kit may also be transferable depending on the make.

 

[fuzzi]

i did this change and never regretted it. 1.6 is so much better in every way. mies been remapped 182 ecu, straight through longlife, bmc cda and its amazin and the insurance is still reasonable do it!!!

 

[theduck]

^182 ECU?? :S

 

[bmh.01]

The only things I can think of that wont fit over would be coilovers and induction kit ??

Apart from that bodyparts would be fine ??

Coilovers will fit fine as long as your 1.2 is using 58mm hubs?