172 and Celica's

[D1CKY]

After reading the post on here about New style Toyota Celica's.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=275849&page=4

What or how would a 172 rate against the 140 Celica and Celica 190 Gt and T Sport models ? :S

I take it there a better all round car are they ?

Performance and Handling wise..

 

[len_beach]

A 140 would be lunch but a 190 would be pretty close although they're quite heavy IIRC.

 

[D1CKY]

A 140 would be lunch but a 190 would be pretty close although they're quite heavy IIRC.

And what about the bodykitted Gt ?

That heavier than a standard Celica ?

 

[len_beach]

It's just a 190 with a kit.

189bhp, 133lb/ft, 1145kg, 0-60 in 7.2.

 

[D1CKY]

It's just a 190 with a kit.

189bhp, 133lb/ft, 1145kg, 0-60 in 7.2.

And whats the 172's spec weight etc ?

Ff and Cup ?

 

[Dcds4]

172 brake 1040kg or something

 

[len_beach]

FF is 1110, Cup is 1021

147lb/ft, 169bhp

FF 7.0, Cup 6.7

 

[John D]

Who cares? Last generation Celicas are pish

 

[r516vt]

A guy I worked with recently had one of the new Celica GTs. Took it for a spin and wasn't that impressed, the power is very linear and there is a definite lack of torque.

Through the gears the 172 is considerably more pacey - car performance isn't all about 0-60 times.

 

[Ian_182]

The 190 one is 172 pace,not the 140

 

[D1CKY]

I was on the assumption that a 190 Celica would kill a 172 FF or Cup.

 

[Timmay]

^ nope - altho they are much better made lol

 

[D1CKY]

Bump

 

[P111LTL]

A guy I worked with recently had one of the new Celica GTs. Took it for a spin and wasn't that impressed, the power is very linear and there is a definite lack of torque.

Through the gears the 172 is considerably more pacey - car performance isn't all about 0-60 times.

Dont agree with the celica 190 power being very linear at 6k when the vvtli kicks in it goes like a rocket, yes the 140 is very linear as you would expect from a vvti but not the 190 with vtecesque system on it.

 

[RacerStu]

My dad has a 190/t-sport in a straight line mine was slightly quicker (that was before inlet manifold and remap). However they are very very good on the corners, so much grip. Build quality is excellent though and lovely interior. Dont like the whole all or nothing power though, below 6k revs its a bit lifeless. After 6k though it pulls like mad.

 

[P111LTL]

Ao racerstu you agree with me in them being a bit peaky cracking engine though on the whole made by yamaha the engine well at least designed.

 

[RacerStu]

Sure do, if driven hard and you keep they revs up its great fun.

 

[D1CKY]

Ah it sounds like i've found a car the 172 can beat

 

[D1CKY]

My dad has a 190/t-sport in a straight line mine was slightly quicker (that was before inlet manifold and remap). However they are very very good on the corners, so much grip. Build quality is excellent though and lovely interior. Dont like the whole all or nothing power though, below 6k revs its a bit lifeless. After 6k though it pulls like mad.

What do you have Stu ?

A 172 ?

 

[RacerStu]

Mk1 172

 

[P111LTL]

Top end there wont be much in it either maybe a couple of mph either way

 

[172boost]

the celica may not be as fast but it's a lovely place to be, much better interior on the tsport than a 172.

 

[Timmay]

^ yep

 

[duncansharp]

Yeah agreed. Whilst the 1*2 are faster (acceleration and top speed) than my Celica 140, I think the Celica is better is many ways. The interior is a different class to the Clio, gorgeous driving position, much nicer steering wheels, brakes aren't as sharp as the clios though. Overall i prefer the Celica to my old 172 cup.

 

[D1CKY]

Yeah agreed. Whilst the 1*2 are faster (acceleration and top speed) than my Celica 140, I think the Celica is better is many ways. The interior is a different class to the Clio, gorgeous driving position, much nicer steering wheels, brakes aren't as sharp as the clios though. Overall i prefer the Celica to my old 172 cup.

But the 172FF interior a lot nicer than the 172 cup ?

I have leather/alcantara seats climate control auto xenon lights and wipers etc etc the cup doesn't. :S

Isn't the 172FF on par with Celica inside ?:S

Apart from the odd french rattle.

Ha ha

 

[D1CKY]

Mk1 172

Aint they slightly quicker than Mk2 172 ?

With throttle having better response with it using a cable instead of fly by wire and better airbox design etc :S

Or am i speaking crap ?

 

[rich19]

Yeah agreed. Whilst the 1*2 are faster (acceleration and top speed) than my Celica 140, I think the Celica is better is many ways. The interior is a different class to the Clio, gorgeous driving position, much nicer steering wheels, brakes aren't as sharp as the clios though. Overall i prefer the Celica to my old 172 cup.

But the 172FF interior a lot nicer than the 172 cup ?

I have leather/alcantara seats climate control auto xenon lights and wipers etc etc the cup doesn't. :S

Isn't the 172FF on par with Celica inside ?:S

Apart from the odd french rattle.

Ha ha

spec wise simila but the layout in the celica is a whole lot nicer place to be than the clio especially with the wrap round centre dash

 

[rich19]

 

[D1CKY]

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[D1CKY]

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It does look nice i'll agree but must be slipping up somewhere if a 172 can match it :S

Is it the weight or the car that lets it down ?

 

[D1CKY]

Yeah agreed. Whilst the 1*2 are faster (acceleration and top speed) than my Celica 140, I think the Celica is better is many ways. The interior is a different class to the Clio, gorgeous driving position, much nicer steering wheels, brakes aren't as sharp as the clios though. Overall i prefer the Celica to my old 172 cup.

But the 172FF interior a lot nicer than the 172 cup ?

I have leather/alcantara seats climate control auto xenon lights and wipers etc etc the cup doesn't. :S

Isn't the 172FF on par with Celica inside ?:S


Apart from the odd french rattle.

Ha ha

Just been thinking does the celica have auto lights, auto wipers etc etc ? :S

 

[duncansharp]

Yeah agreed. Whilst the 1*2 are faster (acceleration and top speed) than my Celica 140, I think the Celica is better is many ways. The interior is a different class to the Clio, gorgeous driving position, much nicer steering wheels, brakes aren't as sharp as the clios though. Overall i prefer the Celica to my old 172 cup.

But the 172FF interior a lot nicer than the 172 cup ?

I have leather/alcantara seats climate control auto xenon lights and wipers etc etc the cup doesn't. :S

Isn't the 172FF on par with Celica inside ?:S

Apart from the odd french rattle.

Ha ha

Yeah but the Celica interior (IMO) is better than the ff one. Mine has cloth seats, but the driving position, build quality, comfort, styling are better, again only my opinion (cant be arsed with an argument)

As for weight, they vary from 1140-1190kg (iirc)

 

[D1CKY]

Bump

 

[D1CKY]

Anyone had a go with a Celica in there 172 ?

 

[D1CKY]

Anyone had runs ins with these ?

 

[Diesel_Power]

Its funny, i had a play with a 190 the otherday (well assume it was a 190 as it had red writing of "190" on the back). Didnt seem to move away and if id of been a bit harder on the throttle and gear changes im confident id of passed him. There ok.

 

[Ian_182]

I like them and agree on the interior being a nicer place,plus they dont break as easy.Its not a bad thing to have one of these

 

[jayxx83]

no point in having an excellent driving position if you cant do anything with it. love the 190 gt though

 

[*Badger*]

Id like to have a play with a 190 to see how it'd be, being biast id say the clio would have the edge. The Celica is a nice looking car, especially the interior, but the standard exterior lets them down (s**t wheels, no rear spoiler etc)

 

[D1CKY]

Didnt seem to move away and if id of been a bit harder on the throttle and gear changes im confident id of passed him. There ok.

You should have opened your wee clio up and showed who was boss.

Lol