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Knuckles
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Mwm iirc made a low compression turbo 172 by using a 197 head to lower compression an fitting a focus RS hybrid turbo and focus st intercooler. Pm them? They may be able to help.
Or talk to steve 't.trophy'... He got a ktec turbo kit. Didn't like it, so got rid and mix and matched his own turbo kit
Or talk to steve 't.trophy'... He got a ktec turbo kit. Didn't like it, so got rid and mix and matched his own turbo kit
Where you from Fitch?
I own the above MWM turbo clio and I can say it works very well and pretty safe on STD internals.
Running 258.4bhp 251 lbft
Although they do not do this deal as a package and iirc are not planning to now, but I can let you know all the gear used for my particular conversion, there pretty easy to source from other places.
I own the above MWM turbo clio and I can say it works very well and pretty safe on STD internals.
Running 258.4bhp 251 lbft
Although they do not do this deal as a package and iirc are not planning to now, but I can let you know all the gear used for my particular conversion, there pretty easy to source from other places.
Megane r26
Read the build thread an french car mag feature on this, looks nice an tidy an tbh a good way of doing it
nice motor by the wayI would be intrested in the results of this as im looking at turboing mine after i insult my RS2 inlet
Read the build thread an french car mag feature on this, looks nice an tidy an tbh a good way of doing it
It was a very good way tbf, turbo is a nice choice, spools fast and pulls like a rollercoaster.
I carry round the PFC magazine in the boot, lol.
Engine is getting forged at the end of may , turning boost up should see into the 300bhp bracket, will post a project thread soon too. Getting caged etc etc.
Megane r26
Plans sound good fella, i swapped my 172 for 197 late last year, but once me an the missus have sorted out buying our new house they'll be a ph1 172 project in the garage
Fair play mate,
What you thinking big bucks TC/SC?
or ITB's or just a few breathing mods / stripping it - track slut ?
Megane r26
My old 172 just ran breathing mods an coilovers an i dropped the wheel size to 15" due to better selection of tyres, but due to me having to use the car everyday I was kind of restricted to what I could do due to the fact it had to be ready for work next day haha. To begin with I'll just strip hell out of it, an get some decent suspension an go from there tbh, always liked the thought of forced induction though. Took the old 172 out on track a couple of times an it really was a capable car.
The old 172
Thanks for all the advise, I'm from swindon and am looking to build mine to a degree of wiping the floor with my mates type r that he's all smug about haha! Been looking into several turbo kits, seen engine dynamics set but haven't read much good about them on the forums, also been looking for DIY sc or throttle bodies, considered keeping it NA with jenveys and maybe concentrating more on getting the extra power in other ways! What would you suggest would be the best idea?? Thanks for the help so far!!
The MWM car surprised me with how well it worked when I was mapping it with them, really is a nice little package, better than I expected it to be when Mike was telling me the plans.
I see no point in going any further than that with a standard diff TBH in the context of trackdays etc, although if you are into racing on dual carriageways then its different I suppose.
I see no point in going any further than that with a standard diff TBH in the context of trackdays etc, although if you are into racing on dual carriageways then its different I suppose.
Megane r26
Definatly liking the choice on dropping the wheel size to 15s, suit the car really well with the height set up right
Yeah the choice of tyres an price of um was great on a 15 plus they weighed in abit lighter
Chip I'm loving what was has been done with the mwm Clio, did they run the standard clio 197 cams and Cambelt with it? Like how they've achieved a better compression ratio by doing so, did thy keep the Megane manifold on that they installed earlier in in the project or go back to the clio manifold? Turbos really appeal to me as iv owned a couple of r5 gt turbos !
Car looks nice mate.My old 172 just ran breathing mods an coilovers an i dropped the wheel size to 15" due to better selection of tyres, but due to me having to use the car everyday I was kind of restricted to what I could do due to the fact it had to be ready for work next day haha. To begin with I'll just strip hell out of it, an get some decent suspension an go from there tbh, always liked the thought of forced induction though. Took the old 172 out on track a couple of times an it really was a capable car.
The old 172
What have you read bad about Engine dynamics?
They are a respectable company IMO.
And very reasonably priced.
That's brilliant help thanks chip!
And Aydon I've been reading up from people that the way they arent selling the kits until Atleast 15-20 sets are ordered and deposits paid for could mean you could be waiting a while ect and also some of there estimated bhp gains can be a little unrealistic! there prices seem very reasonable, and I have also heard that they have been very good with there after sales help and experience, same with all things though I guess, always hear bad/ good
And Aydon I've been reading up from people that the way they arent selling the kits until Atleast 15-20 sets are ordered and deposits paid for could mean you could be waiting a while ect and also some of there estimated bhp gains can be a little unrealistic! there prices seem very reasonable, and I have also heard that they have been very good with there after sales help and experience, same with all things though I guess, always hear bad/ good
The thing is, all company's pretty much bulls**t you with BHP gains it's just one of there selling points, and of they don't bulls**t you they just test your car on rollers that will bulls**t you (they know this) so in all fairness it's just the way it is.
As chip said ED are a very honest company and the guy who runs it (forget his name) will always give you great advice and not try and force you to buy anything, and he has a hell of alot of experience with RS's too.
As chip said ED are a very honest company and the guy who runs it (forget his name) will always give you great advice and not try and force you to buy anything, and he has a hell of alot of experience with RS's too.
Sounds like that could be an interesting project youve got there
200bhp is relatively easy to achieve TBH, set of bodies and some mildly upgraded cams will happily see past that on a standard engine.
RS2 can just about do it too, but not as easily as bodies, half the price and arguably nicer for a day to day car though so it depends on what you want most from the car.
I do use the car on a day to day basis, But also intend on starting to track it after spending a bit of time
prepping it! Rs2 seem the cheaper option, was looking into what cams to purchase but there is so many different sets it's hard to choose between them, I've seen cat ccams used quite often though!
prepping it! Rs2 seem the cheaper option, was looking into what cams to purchase but there is so many different sets it's hard to choose between them, I've seen cat ccams used quite often though!
Catcams get used a lot as its ktec's weapon of choice.
The engine dynamics ones are a fair bit cheaper though and do work really well.
James had 201bhp out of them with an RS2, and Porkie has 212bhp out of them on bodies (he has slightly raised compression as well and a ported head, so I'd expect a couple bhp less on a standard engine)
We have an RS2 on our daily 172, and both me and the mrs really like it, at 3Krpm on the road its noticably better than standard inlet, and on track the extra rpm at the top end are great.
You lose that shove at 5-5.5K though, so its not better everywhere.
The engine dynamics ones are a fair bit cheaper though and do work really well.
James had 201bhp out of them with an RS2, and Porkie has 212bhp out of them on bodies (he has slightly raised compression as well and a ported head, so I'd expect a couple bhp less on a standard engine)
We have an RS2 on our daily 172, and both me and the mrs really like it, at 3Krpm on the road its noticably better than standard inlet, and on track the extra rpm at the top end are great.
You lose that shove at 5-5.5K though, so its not better everywhere.
I've seen engine dynamics set are quite cheap on comparrison, but have read good things about them, are you running cams on your 172? Do you reckon you can regain than 5-5.5k shove if I get a good set on there? A port and polish is something I considered earlier on, and something that is on my list, heard it just improves of the engine running ect! Will be going for a decat pipe and custom cat back system, did look into full systems I.e the oreca group N but it's just so costly!
I would recomend MWM yes, but I am good friends with Mike so perhaps in that respect Im a bit biased, although I try not to be.
More importantly though, James Stone who makes the RS2 recomends MWM for the mapping, so its worth going with his recomendation really as its his product.
You need to get the cams done before its mapped though, or you'll be paying for mapping twice. Also you should get the decat and exhaust on their first too as that can change the mapping requirements.
If you talk to Mike from MWM he'll sort you out a price for supplying and fitting the cams and mapping all in one go im sure, if you arent confident doing the cams yourself.
More importantly though, James Stone who makes the RS2 recomends MWM for the mapping, so its worth going with his recomendation really as its his product.
You need to get the cams done before its mapped though, or you'll be paying for mapping twice. Also you should get the decat and exhaust on their first too as that can change the mapping requirements.
If you talk to Mike from MWM he'll sort you out a price for supplying and fitting the cams and mapping all in one go im sure, if you arent confident doing the cams yourself.
Il definatly be using MWM for the mapping, as for the fitting of it all, il carry all that work out myself with no problems and have a few master techs I work with that will help me out if need be! Il more than likely use the ED cams in my build! I've just read up about the camshaft setting tool which manually advanced the intake camshaft?? Would I be better off installing new cams instead of this??
And there nothing wrong with being a little biased ,I've read good things about MWM
And there nothing wrong with being a little biased ,I've read good things about MWM
I pride myself on being objective, so am recomending Mike because I have seen the quality of his work, not because he is friends, but just thought I should be honest about us being friends anyway.
New cams are WELL worth fitting, far better than just altering the timing on the standard ones.
New cams are WELL worth fitting, far better than just altering the timing on the standard ones.
Well, you'll end up spending over 2K on cams and an RS2 including mapping, so it IS a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a car that is only worth that really, lol
We dont regret the RS2 at all though, and will be getting cams when I can be bothered to do them as it doesnt actually need belt for ages which is normal time to swap them, but its only just been done, or it might get down when Mike owes me a favour next as he does them in a fraction of the time it takes me as he does them so much more often!
Looks and sounds ace too, im still a bit of a big kid really, lol
We dont regret the RS2 at all though, and will be getting cams when I can be bothered to do them as it doesnt actually need belt for ages which is normal time to swap them, but its only just been done, or it might get down when Mike owes me a favour next as he does them in a fraction of the time it takes me as he does them so much more often!
Looks and sounds ace too, im still a bit of a big kid really, lol
If you look at it that way then yes it is a lot of money to be spending haha but well worth it if you ask me !! My car only cost me £1200 with 85k on the clock and had literally just had the Cambelt done!! Can imagine it does sound awesome, can't wait to hear it for myself just want to see the look on my mates face when he can't keep up haha!
Growing up can be boring sometimes haha
just want to see the look on my mates face when he can't keep up haha!Growing up can be boring sometimes haha
