172 gearbox

[bam88]

Hi fellas
Is there any equivalent gearbox that suits 2.0 16v engine or it HAS to be oem one? I've destroyed my gearbox and i need to find a new one.

 

[imprezaworks]

@STEVE.M

 

[STEVE.M]

@STEVE.M

Why me, the question is so loosely worded, I walked away from it.

 

[imprezaworks]

Tough date.

 

[bam88]

i'm so sorry my first language is not english so i'm not perfect with it. but i bet my question can be understood quite well. or am i wrong?

 

[STEVE.M]

Tough date.

Wham BAM thank you man.

 

[STEVE.M]

i'm so sorry my first language is not english so i'm not perfect with it. but i bet my question can be understood quite well. or am i wrong?

Your English is perfect.

There are lots of 16 valve 2.0L engines, any one in particular?

 

[bam88]

well i did wrote 172 gearbox.. so i'm asking for 172 2.0 16V F4R engine. To be more specific its a 124kw 2002 ph2 RS Clio.

 

[STEVE.M]

well i did wrote 172 gearbox.. so i'm asking for 172 2.0 16V F4R engine. To be more specific its a 124kw 2002 ph2 RS Clio.

2002 172 is a JC5-129, but a JC5-089 Ph1 has a higher final drive ratio which I prefer.
A JC5-130 from a 2003 172/182 will not have a speedo drive.

 

[hostler]

Also the 089 doesn't have that stupid circlip so its really the better box.

 

[JamesBryan]

Also the 089 doesn't have that stupid circlip so its really the better box.

I thought it was the 130 that had the bolted diff?

 

[STEVE.M]

I thought it was the 130 that had the bolted diff?

Correct.
The 089 has the circlip diff, but can be converted by @NorthloopCup.

 

[JamesBryan]

Correct.
The 089 has the circlip diff, but can be converted by @NorthloopCup.

When you say the 089 has a higher final drive, do you mean the rpm's will be less or more at say 70mph?

 

[STEVE.M]

Also the 089 doesn't have that stupid circlip so its really the better box.

 

[STEVE.M]

When you say the 089 has a higher final drive, do you mean the rpm's will be less or more at say 70mph?

Correct.
Drops to 3150 rpm @ 70 mph on 16 inch rims.

 

[JamesBryan]

Correct.
Drops to 3150 rpm @ 70 mph on 16 inch rims.

Slightly less better acceleration then, probably negligable though?

 

[STEVE.M]

Slightly less better acceleration then, probably negligable though?

On paper, slightly slower 0-60, though I could get that back if I went on a serious diet.
On the plus side, you can hang on to 3rd into the mid ninety`s, removing the need to come off the power to change up.
The ratio was only changed so that the heavier Ph2 matched the lighter Ph1 0-60 time.

 

[JamesBryan]

On paper, slightly slower 0-60, though I could get that back if I went on a serious diet.
On the plus side, you can hang on to 3rd into the mid ninety`s, removing the need to come off the power to change up.
The ratio was only changed so that the heavier Ph2 matched the lighter Ph1 0-60 time.

Yeah, when my mate had his Ph1 he could nearly do a ton in 3rd!

 

[hostler]

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My bad! I always thought the 089 was bolted and the 130 and 129 had this circlip that keeps popping out. I stand corrected. You guys were right!

Edit: How the circlip in my 089 hasn't popped yet is beyond me.

 

[STEVE.M]

Edit: How the circlip in my 089 hasn't popped yet is beyond me.

My suspicion is that they pop when there is lateral movement (left to right, right to left) of the engine/gearbox assembly when cornering hard.
Hence the need for solid engine mounts.

 

[JamesBryan]

Full lock and give it a boot full usually pops them.

 

[STEVE.M]

Full lock and give it a boot full usually pops them.

I`ll try to avoid doing that then.:smile:

 

[JamesBryan]

I`ll try to avoid doing that then.:smile:

Vary rare when that situation is needed, but years ago at the car meets it was popular when pulling out of tight car parks to give it some beans and light the wheels up. Subsequently the circlip popped.

 

[hostler]

Guess a renfort plate would be the cheapest fix to prevent this from happening.

 

[JamesBryan]

Guess a renfort plate would be the cheapest fix to prevent this from happening.

Yeah pretty much.

 

[bloke]

My suspicion is that they pop when there is lateral movement (left to right, right to left) of the engine/gearbox assembly when cornering hard.
Hence the need for solid engine mounts.

think it's backlash in the diff itself pushing the pot outwards and eventually popping the clip.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Correct.
The 089 has the circlip diff, but can be converted by @NorthloopCup if he has any time. Ever.

EFA.

 

[STEVE.M]

well i did wrote 172 gearbox.. so i'm asking for 172 2.0 16V F4R engine. To be more specific its a 124kw 2002 ph2 RS Clio.

This a JC5-129 box, he just thinks its a 130.
https://www.cliosport.net/threads/172cup-engine-jc5130-gearbox.815315/
A Cup has no ABS to run a speedo, so it will be a 129 if original.

 

[bam88]

thanks for your replies mates. you've been very helpful