172FF Gearboxes... How tough are they ??

[D1CKY]

A quick one,

How tough are the 172 gearboxes ?

And do they take a pounding ?

Or is it like a lucky dip ?

One 172 gearbox is tough and another 172 one is not ?

And what miles have you guys got on your cars ?

And what gearbox are you's on ?


Example.

Me i'm at nearly 40,000 miles and on original gearbox

 

[Fred@BTM]

made from butter

 

[GordonD]

Its a lucky dip.

They are barely strong enough for a standard engine.

And there isn't any better gearbox that bolts in easily.

 

[Temp]

In a word.......crap.

 

[Lagerlout]

Depends how you treat them.

 

[scw02102]

is there a difference between the 172cup and 172 ff box?

 

[172cupwizard]

is there a difference between the 172cup and 172 ff box?

Yes but hardly noticable.

 

[D1CKY]

is there a difference between the 172cup and 172 ff box?

Yes but hardly noticable.

What is the difference ?

Is the cups ratios different or something ?

 

[DrR]

mines fucked at 44k

 

[bmh.01]

Yes but hardly noticable.

What is the difference ?

Is the cups ratios different or something ?

Other than the cup box having a speedo sensor I don't thinks theres any difference to the internals.

Basically if you go round changing gear like the fast and the furious then you'll kill the box very quickly, treat it with some sympathy and it should manage.

 

[D1CKY]

mines f**ked at 44k

What you mean fucked ? :dapprove:

What went in it ?

And did you hammer car all the time ?

 

[Gaz_]

Is this just a myth though, i've not heard of many troubles on here? Yes they aint the most willing if rushed, but nothing major?

 

[DrR]

mines f**ked at 44k

What you mean f**ked ? :dapprove:

What went in it ?

And did you hammer car all the time ?

Messed up a gear change once and it now crunches really bad in 3rd, (car is now on 58k) can't say i've abused it to much.

 

[D1CKY]

What you mean f**ked ? :dapprove:

What went in it ?

And did you hammer car all the time ?

Must up a gear change once and it now crunches really bad in 3rd, (car is now on 58k) can't say i've abused it to much.

Is that a 3rd gear syncro on its way out ?

As it crunches ?

As i had an old mk2 golf gti that used to do it when you thrashed it in 2nd

 

[DrR]

yeah, but IMO should happen on a car only done 44k, hardly much.

 

[edde]

is there a difference between the 172cup and 172 ff box?

Yes but hardly noticable.

Apart from the speco sensor nope.

Its got the same code only difference is the speedo output line.

gearbox isn't that great its not that bad idither realy its never been a good baox and its only got for 200Nm with warently and the 172/182 make that much power so they are at there warently limit.

Quite a few have been changed but its usually abuse.

 

[ChrisR]

Mins fine on 70k, a bit of mechanical sympathy goes a long way It does get a hammering quite often too

 

[D1CKY]

BUMP

 

[Fred@BTM]

what do you want to know D1CKY?

 

[LegoHead]

Mines fine. Always blip throttle on down changes.

 

[D1CKY]

Mines fine. Always blip throttle on down changes.

And why ?

What does that help prevent ? :S

 

[Fred@BTM]

helps prevent shock/unnessesary strain on the box and clutch

 

[Donz144]

45 k, 200 bhp, I dont rag it on the way up and usually rev match on the way down....no hint of any probs and I find the shift just fine, Short and easy! Dony know what half of you are on about!

 

[Fred@BTM]

3rd gear synchro will fail first, always does!

 

[Peperami]

53k, have crunched/ missed third a few times, change pretty quickly according to most people, box is fine.

 

[Batman]

best qoute for the 172 box would be "cant believe its not butter"

 

[DrR]

3rd gear synchro will fail first, always does!

you mean like mine, 4th is on it's way now, still waiting for that quote

 

[D1CKY]

Bump

Lol

Whats the power limit on these gearboxes before they start to suffer and make bad noises(whining etc)

 

[ChrisD172]

At some point a gear change has been fooked in mine im guessing, its a bit rough on the change down to third

 

[Dan 172]

My 172's gearbox lasted 40k and I didn't abuse and spent alot of time sat on the motorway in 5th.

 

[ChrisD172]

How difficult is it to pull the box out and change the 3rd gear syncro?

Is that the likely culprit?

 

[franx]

Bump

Lol

Whats the power limit on these gearboxes before they start to suffer and make bad noises(whining etc)

C'mon Dicky ! read what Edde had to say in the last page, that says it all..

Box is running at the limit of power it can handle (200NM) so when abusing you will go over the edge quickly and damage it.

But there are also the people who have put a turbo on their engine and are still okay with the box.. they just watch their gearchanges.
Actually all French gearboxes are crap :quiet:

 

[D1CKY]

Cheers

 

[Mark One]

my 3rd gear synchro is fooked at around 45k.
They are made from cake and icing these boxes.

 

[D1CKY]

f**k it sounds a hit or a miss.

One gearbox could be fine and the next could be s**t