182 supercharged,turbo or throttle bodies?

[craigs182]

ive decided to keep the 182 and eithier have it supercharged,turbod or throttle bodies.

i no turbos have been done for around 5k

supercharged never heard of one being done but there must be a company out there who have supercharged a 182? n how much would this cost

throttle bodies dont no much about these what gains are there to be had and whats the cost. also does it make a diffrence to the sound as a turbo or supercharger would do?

is the 182 engine capable of handling any of these changes?

 

[ja.jack]

You'll be sorry.

 

[craigs182]

You'll be sorry.

lol whys that dude?

 

[GordonD]

is the 182 engine capable of handling any of these changes?

The engine is capable of each of them. The turbo Megane shows that. But the Clio Sport engine is high compression, so you'd have to fit different pistons.

Its the gearbox that's not capable of taking more torque, ie, significant turbocharging or supercharging. And there's not a lot of room in the engine compartiment, so between the two there aren't going to be many companies who'd invest in developing a supercharger kit.

Saw one that used a centrifugal supercharger - ie, the compressor end of a turbocharger - that sat at the gearbox end of the engine so it plumbed in well to the standard air intake system, and was driven by a jack shaft that ran along the front the engine. Wondered at the time if they'd pulled out the air conditioner and replaced it with the drive to the supercharger.

Centrifugal superchargers are physically compact and (relatively) cheap. trouble with them is they have a power curve like a turbocharger. They produce no boost at low revs, so you get less at the bottom end because you've had to lower the compression, and you get huge amounts of boost at high revs.

That still leaves throttle bodies. No reason you can't fit them.

 

[craigs182]

what about throttle bodies mate?

do you no much about these?

 

[lee_cup]

pm rich_cup he had his 172cup on TBs

i would go for throttle bodies, as it seems to be the cheaper option, plus less bits to go wrong i would imagine

 

[craigs182]

yer i think throttle bodies is the way not as harsh on the clutch eithier.

just deciding were the best place is to have them done and best price!!

 

[lee_cup]

from what rich_cup told me, he bought all the parts individually and had someone set it up for him, can't remember what company he said

told me it worked a little cheaper that way

have you read the info on k-tec?

 

[Maz]

Get it done somewhere as local as possible .. then you wont have far to travel when it all goes wrong lol

 

[craigs182]

yes mate as i can remember £3800 fitted for 205bhp.

im just wondering what the ride would be like in everyday use like driving through towns stop/starting suppose as long as the remap is done correctly there shudnt be a problem!

 

[craigs182]

Get it done somewhere as local as possible .. then you wont have far to travel when it all goes wrong lol

lol thought that but cant think of anywere local

 

[lee_cup]

from what ive heard (don't quote me on this) normal driving isn't affected a huge amount

 

[tommyboy]

throttle bodies defo over the other 2.

 

[edde]

If you realy want more power value for money wise chnage the car.

IF you want to spend on the Clio IMO get a different engine fitted Honda engine and gearbox are much better for tunning bases plus 197hp CTR egninges and boxes are quite cheap even a VAG 1.8T is a cheaper mod if you want to spend a fortune.

Throttle bodies would be the best but tunning the Clio engine and you end spending a fortune.

 

[craigs182]

but does what youve suggested cost less than throttle bodies?

also what about when you wanted to change it back to the orginal?

 

[lee_cup]

why not speak to Fred about one of his engine packages?

 

[craigs182]

yer ive pm him mate

 

[edde]

but does what youve suggested cost less than throttle bodies?

also what about when you wanted to change it back to the orginal?

Throttle bodies on there on is about £3k and there better and cheaper ways to 210hp or ro that that only pay for throttle bodies if you want the noise or are spending money on cams and head work etc.

Once you'r tunned it going back to standards more than its worth so there on for the life of the car usually unless your DIY handy.

 

[cK]

stan does bodies cheaper than most companies. Wait and see what angel-works have to offer.

 

[lee_cup]

anyone heard anymore about this angelworks thing? has anyone let slip what they got planned?

 

[edde]

anyone heard anymore about this angelworks thing? has anyone let slip what they got planned?

Bens never said much its IMo a new manifold design will be similar efficiency to throttle bodies but not quite that good.

 

[lee_cup]

hmmm sounds interesting

 

[BenR]

but does what youve suggested cost less than throttle bodies?

also what about when you wanted to change it back to the orginal?

Throttle bodies on there on is about £3k and there better and cheaper ways to 210hp or ro that that only pay for throttle bodies if you want the noise or are spending money on cams and head work etc.

Once you'r tunned it going back to standards more than its worth so there on for the life of the car usually unless your DIY handy.

Whats cheaper than throttle bodies to 210bhp?

 

[Donz144]

I have had All the head/cam work done with IK, Exhaust and remap. The car has been just mind-blowing since I got it back. PM me for details if you like.

 

[edde]

Whats cheaper than throttle bodies to 210bhp?

N2O
I'm sure Yoozasport had a 200hp+ package for less than that much?

 

[BenR]

And at an average cot of £40 for 18lbs, which will last you about.......a days worth of fun.......So 3k would = 75 days worth of fun.

Not to mention it would not be wise to run N20 constantly, you would need ignition map modifications to run on high amounts of gas, which then leaves you with the problem of a sub standard road map since you cant have a map for running gas and one without.

Then you'll get bored of it like i did.

N20 doesnt feel like anything special unless you pump in ALOT.

Engine transplates, especially these 'fabled' VAG conversions are not cheap to have someone else do it.

Extensive plenum based engine builds leave you similarly out of pocket but with quite a significant reduction in torque.

 

[craigs182]

im gona give benr a ring!!

 

[Peter.K]

Nooooo leave the great wizard alone!:nono: Let him weave his magic. The end of January will be upon us and we need to see what he’s conjured up for us.

 

[craigs182]

Nooooo leave the great wizard alone!:nono: Let him weave his magic. The end of January will be upon us and we need to see what he’s conjured up for us.

ive spoked to the wise one my name is virtually down!!

mwahahahahh

 

[matty w]

And at an average cot of £40 for 18lbs, which will last you about.......a days worth of fun.......So 3k would = 75 days worth of fun.

Not to mention it would not be wise to run N20 constantly, you would need ignition map modifications to run on high amounts of gas, which then leaves you with the problem of a sub standard road map since you cant have a map for running gas and one without.

Then you'll get bored of it like i did.

N20 doesnt feel like anything special unless you pump in ALOT.

Engine transplates, especially these 'fabled' VAG conversions are not cheap to have someone else do it.

Extensive plenum based engine builds leave you similarly out of pocket but with quite a significant reduction in torque.

this is what makes me laugh people who keep saying oh just drop a vag 1.8T engine in or a type r engine,who's gonna do it for a start who's gona fix it when it breakes,i recogn for a tuning company to take these sort of conversion on your not gonna have much change out of 10k,if you really want a small car with a vag lump you can buy a seat ibiza cupra for about 5k

 

[tomehb]

anyone heard anymore about this angelworks thing? has anyone let slip what they got planned?

Bens never said much its IMo a new manifold design will be similar efficiency to throttle bodies but not quite that good.

Confused? Guessing this will cost a little less than throttle bodies then ? What ever is planned.... :S:S:S

 

[Graham Gooch]

I'd love to see a low boost supercharger install, 5-6psi, so the whole car was around 200-210bhp same torque. Would make an awesome car IMO.

There is a german company who makes superchargers as well, I forget the name

 

[craigs182]

I'd love to see a low boost supercharger install, 5-6psi, so the whole car was around 200-210bhp same torque. Would make an awesome car IMO.

There is a german company who makes superchargers as well, I forget the name

yeah thats what id like aswell matey

 

[tomehb]

I'd love to see a low boost supercharger install, 5-6psi, so the whole car was around 200-210bhp same torque. Would make an awesome car IMO.

There is a german company who makes superchargers as well, I forget the name

is this a hint on whats coming ;0?

 

[craigs182]

I'd love to see a low boost supercharger install, 5-6psi, so the whole car was around 200-210bhp same torque. Would make an awesome car IMO.

There is a german company who makes superchargers as well, I forget the name

is this a hint on whats coming ;0?

i wish bro but i doubt it!!

 

[tomehb]

dam

atm i got £1280, well will have a bit less after i paid mot an road tax! but after next payday not sure weather to go for the £1550 cam, inlet, an smt6 package from GDI or wait an save up for whats coming if its going to be good

 

[craigs182]

im sure it will be good dude!!!!

 

[BenR]

I'd love to see a low boost supercharger install, 5-6psi, so the whole car was around 200-210bhp same torque. Would make an awesome car IMO.

There is a german company who makes superchargers as well, I forget the name

spent many an hour going over the best route for such a setup, but costs for a well placed, designed, driven and non structurally intrusive setup is expensive, and even if the option was there, nobody would go for it i dont think.

 

[Graham Gooch]

I'd love to see a low boost supercharger install, 5-6psi, so the whole car was around 200-210bhp same torque. Would make an awesome car IMO.

There is a german company who makes superchargers as well, I forget the name

spent many an hour going over the best route for such a setup, but costs for a well placed, designed, driven and non structurally intrusive setup is expensive, and even if the option was there, nobody would go for it i dont think.

Rest assured If I won the lottery, that is one of the many things I'd do. As well as buy an F40 lol.

I've always thought the cost would be the main factor stopping it from becoming mainstream though

 

[Gaz_]

popular on the paxos and ctr's though?