182FF suspension options

[Gaz_]

Yeah it needs to be pretty much exactly cut so the holes end up in the right place. Doing it by by hand will end up in a fail imo.

 

[Yellow Dave]

I guess if I made a template from a 'cup' strut there's no real reason why you can't accurately mark the non cup strut then attack it with weapon of choice. lol

I wasn't aware of having to open the legs up though for the cup hub. how would you do that unless hitting it with a large mallet, preferably not timmay

 

[Gaz_]

Open the legs? ooo matron!


Is it worth it?!

Might weaken the mounts, if they need to be opened up? My money would be on some H&R's, just be patient

 

[Yellow Dave]

Open the legs? ooo matron!


Is it worth it?!

Might weaken the mounts, if they need to be opened up? My money would be on some H&R's, just be patient

But how low are they and how stiff is the ride?

I want something a little firmer and a little lower so it doesn't transform the car too much. Basically I want somewhere in the middlle so a compromise. I might look into the Prolines and costs of non cup hubs so I don't have to machine anything down.

 

[Da]

Non cup hubs are weaker than cup hubs, hence the difference in thickness. That alone could transform the handling, in the wrong way.

 

[Gaz_]

But how low are they and how stiff is the ride?

I want something a little firmer and a little lower so it doesn't transform the car too much. Basically I want somewhere in the middlle so a compromise. I might look into the Prolines and costs of non cup hubs so I don't have to machine anything down.

The idea of Coilovers is you can set them at O.E height if you wanted.....

Pro lines and Konis would be ideal, even though imo prolines wont alter the look of a cupped 182 in any way, might even raise the rear

 

[Yellow Dave]

I appreciate what your saying but they withstand the forces put onto a non cup 182 with full coilovers etc?

are there any other differences in the 2. wider track is down to the wheels isn't it? and the 3-4mm ride height drop would be the springs?

 

[Gaz_]

Wider track is cupped hubs on a 182. 172 Cups is the wheels.

 

[Yellow Dave]

there's no winning. maybe I'll attack the stack height of the standard springs with a hacksaw proper ghetto style

 

[Yellow Dave]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=489398&highlight=eibach+prolines

This has made an interesting read with regards to the koni's with eibach springs.

 

[LiquidRich]

Open the legs? ooo matron!


Is it worth it?!

Might weaken the mounts, if they need to be opened up? My money would be on some H&R's, just be patient

yes the gap between the two legs is larger on the cup hub so you need to remove a little bit of material from them, which again I did on a milling machine. And I know it wont have weaken the Spax, I'm an engineering that has lots of sheet metal experience, plus I use software that works things like this out

 

[fad]

Just had a quick flick through, seeing as this wont hit track and you want adjustabililty the Koni Adjustables would be great IMO The adjustability just makes them more flexible to suit your needs.

I had them on my Corsa and they were superb.

When I spoke to Mark Fish a while ago we were going to order a set of Koni's in and machine the holes to suit the cup hub spacing. Being an engineer by trade he assured me this would be fine and we spoke about how he used to elongate the holes when running camber on the old 5 Turbos he used to run.

I would speak to Mark directly and see what he recomends. He sets up Clio cup cars and Mini challenge cars so comes highly regarded.

 

[Jonny1*2]

Non cup hubs are weaker than cup hubs, hence the difference in thickness. That alone could transform the handling, in the wrong way.

Would it though really daz? The weight of the cars are the same regardless of the cup chassis. Is it just the hubs that would need changing though? thought the track was slightly wider?

 

[Yellow Dave]

Wider track is cupped hubs on a 182. 172 Cups is the wheels.

As above

 

[Jonny1*2]

As above

Just due to the hubs and nothing else though? ie. If you changed them nothing else would need replacing?

 

[Yellow Dave]

thats what I originally thought, but don't want to loose the wider track as I noticed a difference driving a cupped 182 compared to a normal 182

 

[Jonny1*2]

thats what I originally thought, but don't want to loose the wider track as I noticed a difference driving a cupped 182 compared to a normal 182

Most likely due to the suspension/damping rather than the track though. It's only marginally bigger IIRC