200 Bhp ???

[BenR]

true.....you can do all that, but it doesnt make it a good engine. Turbos are very easy to make power on. Hondas old B series are pumping out 1000bhp in 1.8 trim.

The vag has an apalling head, crap chamber etc etc. The block is strong, but geometry isnt great either.

I just dont find the vag engine anything special and its nothing that any other 2ltr 4 pot cant do.

 

[BenR]

oh, and the JC series geabox's are crap......but i dont really care about that lol.

 

[MarkM]

true.....you can do all that, but it doesnt make it a good engine. Turbos are very easy to make power on. Hondas old B series are pumping out 1000bhp in 1.8 trim.

The vag has an apalling head, crap chamber etc etc. The block is strong, but geometry isnt great either.

I just dont find the vag engine anything special and its nothing that any other 2ltr 4 pot cant do.

What would be the best engine to use for a reliable cheapish 300bhp with a 6 speed box?

 

[Fred@BTM]

n/a or forced Mark??

 

[BenR]

chevy small block.

 

[Fred@BTM]

chevy small block.

eeew!

 

[CrazyK]

It might just be me but I like to tune a car using it in essence its original components/design characteristics To me thats the challenge, engine transplants from other marques generally require fabrication work rather than engineering work . So I have a 172 with the F4R and JC5 amd I want to get it to 200 bhp thats the challenge I have set myself. If I wanted to tune a VW lump I would have bought a VW car.

 

[Lagerlout]

Rover V8?

 

[CrazyK]

Rover V8 surely that wont fit in a clio??

 

[Fred@BTM]

Vaxhaull red top, these can do 300bhp N/A + a nice sequential (a la proper touring car days)

 

[BenR]

rover, buick v8 sucks.....lol

 

[BenR]

Vaxhaull red top, these can do 300bhp N/A + a nice sequential (a la proper touring car days)

pah, old hat.

best 4 pot around.....the honda...then the duratec.

 

[Fred@BTM]

forgot about the Dura, vely nice!

HonDA!!! aiya, AIYA!!!

 

[y0z2a]

have you seen Cosworths Menu for the Duratec Ben???

is quite impressive.

It actually is a menu...

180 BHP through to 300 BHP

all the options

/y0z

 

[MATT BLACK]

chevy small block.

289 ci ........amen to that !!! ( 357 ci chevy small block equally as good )

 

[Fred@BTM]

i want a Millington engine

 

[EVOgone]

pah, old hat.

best 4 pot around.....the honda...then the duratec.

Cheapest 4pt for 200-300hp is the Vauhaull unit - Years of development and very reliable.

Best 4pt for 200 - 350 is Honda K20A - loads of developemnt and supercharger option cheap and proven. A Atom for example.

 

[Fred@BTM]

what about the (dare i say it) K-series, does that get a shout???

 

[BenR]

have you seen Cosworths Menu for the Duratec Ben???

is quite impressive.

It actually is a menu...

180 BHP through to 300 BHP

all the options

/y0z

yea, ages ago.
Saw all their initial test engines, though i wasnt impressed by the pistons.

 

[BenR]

what about the (dare i say it) K-series, does that get a shout???

no, that gets thrown in the bin.

 

[EVOgone]

i want a Millington engine

But you wouldnt want to pay for it my Dad didn't when he got a bill from them....!

 

[MATT BLACK]

The vag has an apalling head, crap chamber etc etc. The block is strong, but geometry isnt great either.

Yeh i agree with that. Gas flow is improved though once the head has been ported and relieved - its made a difference on my lump

 

[BenR]

even then, its apalling.

I specialise in flow development and i liken the vag head to reproduction toilet bowls. It takes serious money to get that thing to do anything decent.

 

[BenR]

But you wouldnt want to pay for it my Dad didn't when he got a bill from them....!

try a 2.3 hart then lol.

 

[Fred@BTM]

no, that gets thrown in the bin.

thought so

 

[MATT BLACK]

Come on Fred - were is this F4R, Turbo powered clio ?

 

[Fred@BTM]

it an urban myth! it'll appear one day

 

[BenR]

yea, on myth busters

 

[Fred@BTM]

"all the myths on sunday"

great programme

 

[tomehb]

i want a Millington engine

Wow, i was surprised to here you talk of that name.. are they Famous? I am friends with his son.. been around there place a few times got some impressive stuff thats all i know.

 

[Fred@BTM]

Millington are pretty well known in the car world

they've been doing ford engines for years i believe

 

[BenR]

are they famous lol...............

 

[BenR]

doing ford engines, they basically redesigned the YB!

 

[Fred@BTM]

cnc blocks and all sorts!!!

 

[tomehb]

(simon - guy next to me)> i tuned my R/C car in the millington workshop.. well set it up and raced it round the workshop + got my volvo 340 GL off millington
:clown:

 

[Fred@BTM]

i bet they're both rapid!!!