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[Jacko]

im looking to modify my 172 its currently standard being lowered tomorrow, id like more than 200bhp from it , ill be buying a milltek cat back and a form of enclosed filter, what should i do after? i know people say remap but what other ways are there of reaching that power?

 

[JMR]

Cams, Individual Throttle Bodies + re-map after? All come at a price.

Might as well save up for a 200bhp standard car.

 

[The Boosh!]

you will end up spending a fortune dude

buy a 20v turbo engine

 

[Jacko]

if i was to put a high lift cam and remap it how much power would i be looking at???

 

[Turner]

cams,exhaust,filter and remap = 190maybe

 

[LegoHead]

im looking to modify my 172 its currently standard being lowered tomorrow, id like more than 200bhp from it , ill be buying a milltek cat back and a form of enclosed filter, what should i do after? i know people say remap but what other ways are there of reaching that power?

start saving....

 

[Craig]

^^agree big money for not alot of gains imo

 

[Spark]

or do all of the above an strip it for a huge power to weight ratio. Id say go for it mate, will be minted once its done, anyone can go buy a car with a big engine

 

[Fred@BTM]

you'll need to spend a good £3k for a genuine 200bhp (and that's not throttle bodies)

 

[Andyman]

Out of interest, anyone ever got a genuine 200bhp with a panal filter + other mods ??


GDI's cam package would probably be a good starter for you. Not sure how much power it gives roughly

 

[TheJesus]

you'll need to spend a good £3k for a genuine 200bhp (and that's not throttle bodies)

For a couple hundred over you can have ITB's though, so there's little point looking at owt else in that price range imo. Best of both worlds, low down and top end power without the need for peaky cams and added bonus of making the engine sound it's best

 

[Fred@BTM]

but not everyone has £3k spare in one go

 

[en035]

why not having both ^^

 

[Josie172cup]

£800 got me 15bhp

 

[Eckascliovalver]

£800 got me 15bhp

what you do mate?

 

[Josie172cup]

at the time my exhaust was blowing and i was using a standard filter

magnex cat back
k-tec decat
182 manifold
fastchip DIY ecu calibration - http://www.fastchip.nl/component/pa...roduct_id,21/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,26/

it was rr at 189

 

[Eckascliovalver]

good gains mate , ive just put on my cda, decat and magnex, and have a 182 exhaust manifold to go on, im hoping for 5 bhp atleast fingers crossed!

 

[172Ben]

I fitted a viper last week, im hoping for 1hp increase

 

[TheJesus]

but not everyone has £3k spare in one go

meh, £3k budget was quoted, just went on that... not my fault people are pikies lol

 

[Mark One]

with dirty cams a remap and some head work you may just touch 300.

Cheapest way to exceed it would be a custom manifold and 2nd hand bike throttle bodies+the above.

 

[Chris n nic]

Either thats a typo or you are thinking of LAD tuning

Chris

 

[TheJesus]

was thinking the same for a second, typo surely!? lol

as for bike ITB's and custom manifold, has anyone actually done this, would be interesting to know what the results are.

 

[172Ben]

with dirty cams a remap and some head work you may just touch 300.

Cheapest way to exceed it would be a custom manifold and 2nd hand bike throttle bodies+the above.

Do you accept card?

 

[mattjk]

with dirty cams a remap and some head work you may just touch 300.

Cheapest way to exceed it would be a custom manifold and 2nd hand bike throttle bodies+the above.

300 lol, do you mean 200?

 

[Jacko]

with dirty cams a remap and some head work you may just touch 300.

Cheapest way to exceed it would be a custom manifold and 2nd hand bike throttle bodies+the above.

how would i go about fitting bike bodies ive seen some of an r1 would these work???

 

[Turner]

with dirty cams a remap and some head work you may just touch 300.

Cheapest way to exceed it would be a custom manifold and 2nd hand bike throttle bodies+the above.

how would i go about fitting bike bodies ive seen some of an r1 would these work???

Id leave it to fitting bodies that have been tested etc as you might end up spending £££££s for something that might not work
just go the tried and tested way and do it once

 

[Martin_172]

we fitted motorbike carbs to a 1600 8v gsi nova, it made 160bhp @ the fly with headwork and a wild camshaft, made up a custom manifold for it, the advantage off running them from a cost saving point of view is you dont need a standalone ecu etc ours ran without engine management! hardly any electrics or wiring under the bonnet! cost pennies to build!!

need a decent rolling road to set the carbs up though!

 

[theduck]

Bogg Brothers do custom manifolds for bike bodies for about £200 i am led tro believe.

Surely easiest way to 200horses is a 197 with a remap? lol

 

[Se7en172]

3k was spent on my car to make it hit 202bhp
Then another grand for H+Rs plus professional set up

 

[phill172]

with dirty cams a remap and some head work you may just touch 300.

Cheapest way to exceed it would be a custom manifold and 2nd hand bike throttle bodies+the above.

how would i go about fitting bike bodies ive seen some of an r1 would these work???

Very very soon guys, in the finsihing stages of the K4M 1600 on R1 bodies, but tbh, i think they would be a bit ashemtic on the 2.0 16v, as there only 38mm.....but all the Vw people run them and are hitting 200+bhp on there 2.0 16v.......

Mine will be at FCS so you can have a gander there! :rasp:

 

[theduck]

how would i go about fitting bike bodies ive seen some of an r1 would these work???

Very very soon guys, in the finsihing stages of the K4M 1600 on R1 bodies, but tbh, i think they would be a bit ashemtic on the 2.0 16v, as there only 38mm.....but all the Vw people run them and are hitting 200+bhp on there 2.0 16v.......

Mine will be at FCS so you can have a gander there! :rasp:

:O I didnt even know someone was doing this! Now I am truly gutted I am not going to be at FCS

 

[TheJesus]

how would i go about fitting bike bodies ive seen some of an r1 would these work???

Id leave it to fitting bodies that have been tested etc as you might end up spending £££££s for something that might not work
just go the tried and tested way and do it once

exactly my thinking, customer shouldn't be used as guinea pigs to "test" if something works. I'd want a direct comparison with a proven solution, like Jenvey. Then I'd want to drive each of them to compare, as sometimes figures can be manipulated.

 

[Tammersal]

Has anyone considered good old fashion Alpha Weber systems.

http://www.webcon.co.uk/

 

[Big Bob]

Has anyone considered good old fashion Alpha Weber systems.

http://www.webcon.co.uk/

I DID BUT ITS WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN YOU WOULD THINK, AND AFTER ALL THE TIME AND MONEY TO GET IT ALL RUNNING YOU WOULD BE BETTER WITH THE BODDIES ME THINKS

 

[TheJesus]

Has anyone considered good old fashion Alpha Weber systems.

http://www.webcon.co.uk/

yup, directly again my Jenvey's. Okay, mine's a Ph1 172 and these were on a Williams, but it was stripped, had headwork and wilder cams. It was slower with more mods, and about 200+kg's weight advantage. They don't seem very good when directly compared to the Jenveys or similar.

 

[Mark One]

with dirty cams a remap and some head work you may just touch 300.

Cheapest way to exceed it would be a custom manifold and 2nd hand bike throttle bodies+the above.

Sh1te! Sorry guys, It's a typo. Meant 200 obv.

lol 300bhp NA clio

 

[Mark One]

Surely easiest way to 200horses is a 197 with a remap? lol

197 with a remap? thats a 180 bhp NA engine remapped to 200? :quiet:

:lolup:

 

[Tammersal]

The idea of 200+ ponies under the bonnet is appealing but how bad will drivability be hit..
I recall the old scatter cams in a mini making it almost impossible to drive unless screaming it..


GDI have a £1500 package that caught my eye and no sign of a new exhaust system that could be added ( hint more package offers =p ). sadly no indication of the power is listed .. I'm not even qualified to guess, but slowly getting a good idea.

 

[theduck]

Surely easiest way to 200horses is a 197 with a remap? lol

197 with a remap? thats a 180 bhp NA engine remapped to 200? :quiet:

:lolup:

197ps is 194bhp so 6bhp increase not unreasonable?

 

[Jacko]

i looked at gdi have also seen ktec remap and then with a filter and exhaust headwork etc i may go this way thinking of saving for turbo conv but not sure