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200T VS 220 Trophy
- Thread starter Robmarriott
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How I managed to not piss my sides I'll never know
BoatNonce
ClioSport Club Member
Meg uses the same gearbox apparently.
I wonder if there's any physical change in the gearbox itself between the 200 and the 220 or whether it's just transmission mapping.
Oh and pray you never do a clutch in, £1600+VAT anyone?
I wonder if there's any physical change in the gearbox itself between the 200 and the 220 or whether it's just transmission mapping.
Oh and pray you never do a clutch in, £1600+VAT anyone?
For a clutch? Is that fitted?
BoatNonce
ClioSport Club Member
Nope!
botfch
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 182
I can't get my head around why the mpg is so low, I assumed at least 50s day to day and 40s with your foot down.
I think at the end of the day regardless of the cars quality or lack of. It's The price point and lack of good finance deals that have ruined it especially when bmws, Vws etc can be had for similar money.
I think at the end of the day regardless of the cars quality or lack of. It's The price point and lack of good finance deals that have ruined it especially when bmws, Vws etc can be had for similar money.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
It's been a success overall, just not in the uk.
Found a few Videos on YouTube of it on track if anyone's interested,
In Japan so not got a clue if they saying if it's good or bad lol.
In Japan so not got a clue if they saying if it's good or bad lol.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
I'm glad you're enjoying it, but it's really not.
The sales figures and reviews say the same. Not a fan.
What’s really not the fact I'm enjoying it more ? or that it’s a better car than the predecessor ? sales figures I think you need to check again yes uptake in the UK hasn’t been the best but I think that is as much to do with poor finance options and brilliant deals from competitors as it is the car?
Question asked is have you acutely driven one and not a blast down the road on a test drive ? by far a much better car than the 200 200 was the worst rensport I have ever owned and I have owned a few.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
Yeah, I've driven the 200T and the 200 Trophy at length. I own a 200, have done since new in 2012 and previous to that I've owned a 182 and Ph1 172. So I'm fairly qualified on them. My friend's also the RS specialist at the Renaultsport dealers... hence the lengthy test drive/freedom with new models.
I could bang on about the mediocre specialist reviews of the 200T, or the group test where it struggled, or the Fiesta ST effect on the market, but the 200T isn't a good Renaultsport model. UK sales figures have been slow, and considering the UK was the largest market for Renaultsport; that's going to hurt.
They just don't feel like a specialist product, like all the previous models do. They feel like a faster version of a normal Clio, rather than something relatively special. The fact it has an awful gearbox (dim-witted, reluctant) and they don't look special just makes the matter worse.
My 200 has its issues, but it'll always be engaging and an absolute riot to drive quickly or on track because it's involving. In making the 200T a more palatable car for the everyman, they've lost out to the guys who bought Renaultsport Clios because of the driving experience, not because it was a good "car".
Those people have gone out and bought Fiesta STs.
I could bang on about the mediocre specialist reviews of the 200T, or the group test where it struggled, or the Fiesta ST effect on the market, but the 200T isn't a good Renaultsport model. UK sales figures have been slow, and considering the UK was the largest market for Renaultsport; that's going to hurt.
They just don't feel like a specialist product, like all the previous models do. They feel like a faster version of a normal Clio, rather than something relatively special. The fact it has an awful gearbox (dim-witted, reluctant) and they don't look special just makes the matter worse.
My 200 has its issues, but it'll always be engaging and an absolute riot to drive quickly or on track because it's involving. In making the 200T a more palatable car for the everyman, they've lost out to the guys who bought Renaultsport Clios because of the driving experience, not because it was a good "car".
Those people have gone out and bought Fiesta STs.
if you have driven one at length you comment on the gearbox would be different so again I call custard lol, the 200t is a very capable car you will see mine at all events this year and is used on track a lot anyone who knows me will tell you i drive my cars there used not left to look pretty, reviews ? the Clio has performed better than its rivals at most track or drag reviews so I don't see what you point is there? as you seem the need to point out previous cars ive owned a 197 200 meg 230 and 250 and if I wasn't happy with the t I'm in the fortunate situation I could trade it in for another meg but as most of the midlands members will tell you when I say its the best Rensport I ve owend this is genuine otherwise just like my 200 I would have traded it in after 6 months.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
Wanted: 1x dead horse.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Chris is bang on. The 200t is the least focused, least RS product they've made in years. The gearbox is a massive fail, and the director of rs has admitted they've missed the target as far as the uk market is concerned, and that the gearbox is totally marmite.
Assuming I could get past the other issues, I couldn't live with the gearbox. It feels like it's 2 generations behind the competition. And it could have been its saving grace, it's usp. As it stands, it's the most common reason given for not buying one.
Assuming I could get past the other issues, I couldn't live with the gearbox. It feels like it's 2 generations behind the competition. And it could have been its saving grace, it's usp. As it stands, it's the most common reason given for not buying one.
like banging your head feel free to show me a 200 which is better there slower on road on track at drag ? the interiors are pants they cost more to run and tax mods are expensive and do very little and to be honest the 197 looks better. and again have you driven a 200t for a period of time the gearbox is quicker than I could change gear in a 197 or 200 so you must be some form of bionic person to be able to change gears quicker?.
quote what you want the reason it didn't sell as well in the UK was partial because of the gearbox but again I would suggest people try before they by and the cracking deals ford offered on the ST that said its still a much better car than the 200 ever was
quote what you want the reason it didn't sell as well in the UK was partial because of the gearbox but again I would suggest people try before they by and the cracking deals ford offered on the ST that said its still a much better car than the 200 ever was
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
Please re-read mine and Warren's posts. I'd reply directly but I'm still waiting for someone with a dead horse to get in touch.
I might be able to source you a very ill pony, but you'll need to provide your own bat to flog it with.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
I'm willing to compromise. Talk to me.
I've owned a 197 and a 200
Both s**t
Slow as pig s**t
My pals decatted 182 used to eat me alive
Now own a ph1 can't wait to get it build up
200t is a capable car
Fcs last year at castle Combe, Renaultsport going round the track in the 200t, nothing could touch it.
Christopher has bionic arms lol
Both s**t
Slow as pig s**t
My pals decatted 182 used to eat me alive
Now own a ph1 can't wait to get it build up
200t is a capable car
Fcs last year at castle Combe, Renaultsport going round the track in the 200t, nothing could touch it.
Christopher has bionic arms lol
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
Never mentioned lap times or how fast I can change gear. FYI. That's not my point. Anyone who read my post properly would see that.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
All the Mk3's i've come across on track are slow :wink:
Now I seriously think you are talking crap lol
I could throw a mk2 around like a go cart. Had a Monaco 172 at the same time I had my 197, 172 was much better felt a lot more capable around the bends, in a straight line, the lot
Your just a typical 'my car is the best' kind of guy, it's obvious.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
The Mk3 chassis is better, but it by no means leaves a Mk2 on track in the corners.
Straight line speed the Ph1's are rapid.
Straight line speed the Ph1's are rapid.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
And with the spell correct attitude it definitely is CS
Dick
182
Flol.
So i recently renewed my membership as to be quite honest facebook is pants and you will never beat the info on here.
And i also thought in the long time i have not been on here things may have changed.
Clearly not!!!! Still the same old petty bellends who pick people up on spelling and turn every discussion into an arguement.
Chris get your head out your arse stop being a tool and get on with a peaceful chat about other models.
As it stands ive wasted £12 to look at you rambling on about aload of toff you clearly know nothing about.
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So i recently renewed my membership as to be quite honest facebook is pants and you will never beat the info on here.
And i also thought in the long time i have not been on here things may have changed.
Clearly not!!!! Still the same old petty bellends who pick people up on spelling and turn every discussion into an arguement.
Chris get your head out your arse stop being a tool and get on with a peaceful chat about other models.
As it stands ive wasted £12 to look at you rambling on about aload of toff you clearly know nothing about.
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ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
The gearbox is quick. The problem is that when you pull the paddle, there's a delay. Once the delay has passed, the shift is very quick, but that delay is unacceptable.
Jump in a mk5 golf gti (10yrs old) . The shift is more responsive. That's the problem, in a nutshell. The whole point of a hot Hatch is the aggression with which they can be driven. The 200t could have been the hot Hatch equivalent of a gtr, everyday usable but superb when on it.
The problem is, the Fiesta is a better daily (cheaper, cheaper to run, better seats etc) and better to drive hard. The 200t is stuck in the middle, doing nothing brilliantly.
Driving a 200 hard, versus a 200t is eye opening. Not much in it speed wise, but the 200 draws you in and gets better the harder you push. The 200t doesn't. It feels like an ordinary car that just happens to be fast.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Do love that kind of silliness. More capable everywhere. But lap times near identical.
Regardless, I think there are better options out there, but if it's between the 2 I'd get a used 200 and remap the gearbox so it, you know, actually works. I'd be gutted to go from a 200t, and then try a diesel vw and find the gearbox much better!
Steve
ClioSport Club Member
ST3 8.5
"All" even the mk3 clio cup cars?
This thread went way off track as this was supposed to be about the 200t vs 220 trophy and every other clio sport got thrown into the mix. I believe that we 200t owner's get it that this car isn't to everyone's taste. If that is the case don't get one but it isn't a crap car it is just different. I for one love it and couldn't care less if everyone slags it off. Thank you and goodnight.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Excluding the cup racers.
Good for you.
If I listened to CS when I bought a car, I'd have to have at least 4 different f 3-series, a Mini, a broken down MX5 and another car on finance that I only use once a month.
Instead, I took what I wanted. No-one else would, but that's fine, they don't have to.
The problem starts when people start being militant in their view that "mi car iz best cuz its newer and it has '64 plate and kris hairis says its betta. I red in Evo that it' 3 seconds quicker to anus".
AKA: Warriorz
The new 200T is the first RenaultSport I have zero desire to drive, own or even sit in. Im sure Im not the only one who thinks the same too. Totally missed their target market. Renault aimed for the Golf GTI market (that being the slightly older chaps who need 5 doors and want a nice auto for daily driving), and missed. They are now stuck in no-man's land with them. You'd have to be clinicialy insane (or a total Renault fan-boy) to buy one over a direct competitor. Even Peugeot manged to make a decent car.
