4th gear crunch

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

Just bought a 197 and it crunches going into 4th , I can easily drive without 4th so will it be ok if I carry on driving without using 4th ?
Thank you

Bear Head · Oct 18, 2015

Oh s**t lol. That's going to be dear. You do know the woes with the 197 box? If it's from a garage I'd probably try send it back. It's gonna need a rebuild I would say

Chris91 · Oct 18, 2015

Yeah unfortunately the synchros are made of chocolate. As above if bought from a dealer then it will still be warranted if you've only just bought it.

Stefan. · Oct 18, 2015

Obviously didnt notice on the test drive?

Hoping for your sake you bought from a dealer....

Bear Head · Oct 18, 2015

sj2112 said:
Obviously didnt notice on the test drive?

Hoping for your sake you bought from a dealer....

How couldn't you notice a crunch though lol.

Stefan. · Oct 18, 2015

Bear Head said:
How couldn't you notice a crunch though lol.

Doesnt it only happen when high up in the revs?

Bear Head · Oct 18, 2015

sj2112 said:
Doesnt it only happen when high up in the revs?

It does mate yes. It's something I'd check in a performance car of at kind though? I'm sure you did

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

Chris91 said:
Yeah unfortunately the synchros are made of chocolate. As above if bought from a dealer then it will still be warranted if you've only just bought it.

I bought it private and thought it was too cheap and this is why , just need to know if it's all ok if I just drive it and don't use 4th and all other gears are fine and all feel good

ADS_V6 · Oct 18, 2015

Did you get a sold as seen receipt?

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

Ryanpotter said:
I bought it private and thought it was too cheap and this is why , just need to know if it's all ok if I just drive it and don't use 4th and all other gears are fine and all feel good

It didn't really feel that bad in low revs when I bought it and also never realised how much it would cost to repair , yes call me an idiot for buying it but I'm now stuck with it unfortunately

Knuckles · Oct 18, 2015

Ryanpotter said:
It didn't really feel that bad in low revs when I bought it and also never realised how much it would cost to repair , yes call me an idiot for buying it but I'm now stuck with it unfortunately

It only really happens in the high revs, how bad is the crunch? I've heard of people running them for years with a little crunch with no problems.

Learn to heel and toe now before it gets worse

Mar172 · Oct 18, 2015

oh what else is wrong with it ?

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

It's only a little crunch , it goes into gear easy just doesn't flow in like all the other gears , the gear box does feel good apart from that gear , I am planning on getting it fix just need to know if it's ok to drive it like this for a few weeks as I'm not using 4th just going from 3rd to 5th which is fine
Thank you for helping

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

Mar172 said:
oh what else is wrong with it ?

There is a knocking coming from the rear which sounds like the exhaust but it's solid and doesn't seem to move and just need to replace one of the seats

Stefan. · Oct 18, 2015

I hope not recaro's?

Knuckles · Oct 18, 2015

Ryanpotter said:
It's only a little crunch , it goes into gear easy just doesn't flow in like all the other gears , the gear box does feel good apart from that gear , I am planning on getting it fix just need to know if it's ok to drive it like this for a few weeks as I'm not using 4th just going from 3rd to 5th which is fine
Thank you for helping

It'll be fine to use fourth tbh.

You said it's not noticeable in low revs, the crunch is only meant to happen above 5k?

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

sj2112 said:
I hope not recaro's?

No just cloth ones , the base bit has a rip in it and foam seems to have given in

Stefan. · Oct 18, 2015

Easy enough then, recaros would cost a fortune

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

Knuckles said:
It'll be fine to use fourth tbh.it is a crunch but not a real bad one and in low revs I was concerned at the way it went into gear like it's not smooth , thank you so much for you help

You said it's not noticeable in low revs, the crunch is only meant to happen above 5k?

STEVE.M · Oct 18, 2015

Ryanpotter said:
I bought it private and thought it was too cheap and this is why , just need to know if it's all ok if I just drive it and don't use 4th and all other gears are fine and all feel good

I would change the gearbox oil to get rid any swarth,so there is no further damage to the internals.
Learn how to double de clutch when engaging 4th untill you can afford a box rebuild ,if finance is your immediate problem.
You should have bought a well loved/sorted 182/172.

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

sj2112 said:
Easy enough then, recaros would cost a fortune

I was looking at a replacement seat and did see on eBay they sell 2x bucket seats for £150/£190 but I take it these are crap and uncomfortable ?

Tony Hunter · Oct 18, 2015

In answer to your question, yes it will be fine to miss out 4th, if thats what you want to do.

Ryanpotter · Oct 18, 2015

Tony Hunter said:
In answer to your question, yes it will be fine to miss out 4th, if thats what you want to do.

Thanks tony , that's all I wanted to know

Bluebeard · Oct 18, 2015

ADS1982 said:
Did you get a sold as seen receipt?

It was a private sale, there is jack s**t a buyer can do once money has been handed over.

Ash J · Oct 18, 2015

Just put up in the classifieds... http://www.cliosport.net/threads/clio-197-200-refurbished-gearbox.783592/#post-10910299

Might be a better option than getting yours done?

Tony Hunter · Oct 18, 2015

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/clio-197-200-refurbished-gearbox.783592/

Snap lol.

STEVE.M · Oct 18, 2015

Mar172 said:
oh what else is wrong with it ?

Hope you are thinking about coming home?

Knuckles · Oct 18, 2015

^cs is amazing lol

Mar172 · Oct 18, 2015

STEVE.M said:
Hope you are thinking about coming home?

If the right car comes along

Matthew · Oct 18, 2015

@Ryanpotter Random question, but where abouts in the country did you buy the car from?

Ryanpotter · Oct 19, 2015

Matthew said:
@Ryanpotter Random question, but where abouts in the country did you buy the car from?

London

Ryanpotter · Oct 19, 2015

Tony Hunter said:
http://www.cliosport.net/threads/clio-197-200-refurbished-gearbox.783592/

Snap lol.

Thanks for the link but I'm not a paid member as of yet so can't open the link , is it possible you could tell me the price and location of this box please ?

Matthew · Oct 19, 2015

Not the one I was thinking of then mate. Just ignore me. Good luck with it.

Matthew · Oct 19, 2015

Ryanpotter said:
Thanks for the link but I'm not a paid member as of yet so can't open the link , is it possible you could tell me the price and location of this box please ?

£450. Location unknown.

Ryanpotter · Oct 19, 2015

Matthew said:
£450. Location unknown.

Cheers , ive found a reasonable priced garage to fit now just need to source a recondition gearbox

nicfred · Oct 19, 2015

Hi

Ryanpotter said:
Cheers , ive found a reasonable priced garage to fit now just need to source a recondition gearbox

Hi
I have the box for sale, pm me for details. I'm not local but could send out not a problem.

Tony Hunter · Oct 20, 2015

Ryanpotter said:
Thanks for the link but I'm not a paid member as of yet so can't open the link , is it possible you could tell me the price and location of this box please ?

CLIO 197/200 Refurbished 031 gearbox

I have had this refurbished with new 3rd and 4th so is good to go, I fitted one of their refurbished boxes for the last round of the Michelin Clio Road series a few week's ago and it was faultless and I put the car on Pole in both races.
I have been racing in the Michelin Clio Road series now for the last 2 years (I finished 2nd overall in 2014 & 2nd again this year)
This gearbox was a brand new unit from Renault as a warranty when I got the car (receipts to prove, the picture is obviously the box I am selling and I haven't even cleaned it so you can see the condition of it compared to other boxes which have been removed from breakers etc.) and I have only used this for around 1000 miles, when I brought the car it only had 30.000 miles so this was a low mile car and then had the warrantied box fitted, so the box hasn't done a lot anyway.
i didn't use the box last year but the box I had fitted gave me problems so I refitted this box for a test day and it seemed to have a little resistance going into 3rd, not crunching but I think on its way so I sent it off to be fully refurbed , it has now been returned with new 3/4 gears and syncros so is a low mile box with the new syncros,so will be better than any you see for sale.
I may consider remove/refit for who ever buys at a cost to be discussed/arranged which could hopefully be done on the same day? This would need to be arranged in advance.

Refurbished Renault Warrantied gearbox 031

PRICE £450 on a non exchange basis, you keep your old boX

Tony Hunter · Oct 20, 2015

nicfred's box

CLIO 197/200 Refurbished 031 gearbox

I have had this refurbished with new 3rd and 4th so is good to go, I fitted one of their refurbished boxes for the last round of the Michelin Clio Road series a few week's ago and it was faultless and I put the car on Pole in both races.
I have been racing in the Michelin Clio Road series now for the last 2 years (I finished 2nd overall in 2014 & 2nd again this year)
This gearbox was a brand new unit from Renault as a warranty when I got the car (receipts to prove, the picture is obviously the box I am selling and I haven't even cleaned it so you can see the condition of it compared to other boxes which have been removed from breakers etc.) and I have only used this for around 1000 miles, when I brought the car it only had 30.000 miles so this was a low mile car and then had the warrantied box fitted, so the box hasn't done a lot anyway.
i didn't use the box last year but the box I had fitted gave me problems so I refitted this box for a test day and it seemed to have a little resistance going into 3rd, not crunching but I think on its way so I sent it off to be fully refurbed , it has now been returned with new 3/4 gears and syncros so is a low mile box with the new syncros,so will be better than any you see for sale.
I may consider remove/refit for who ever buys at a cost to be discussed/arranged which could hopefully be done on the same day? This would need to be arranged in advance.

Refurbished Renault Warrantied gearbox 031

PRICE £450 on a non exchange basis, you keep your old boX

JP83 · Oct 20, 2015

Re: your knocking from the rear. Mk3's have an issue with the bootlids and the catch. Do a search and you'll find a few threads on it.
Simple trick is to put a thickish layer of electrical tape around the catch in the boot, as the latch becomes loose over time.

Ryanpotter · Oct 21, 2015

JP83 said:
Re: your knocking from the rear. Mk3's have an issue with the bootlids and the catch. Do a search and you'll find a few threads on it.
Simple trick is to put a thickish layer of electrical tape around the catch in the boot, as the latch becomes loose over time.

Tried that today and boot was solid and still a knocking from rear , sounds like the exhaust against the diffuser , any body experience this ?

4th gear crunch

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