72,000k + CAMS

[maupineda]

Hi mates! I just made up my mind and bought a set of Engine-Dynamics cams. But have some questions as what else to change/check during the service.

1. Should I change the lifters? They don't sound, although there is a slight tapping coming from the mid of the cam cover, so one may be not 100% ok.

2. What about changing oil pump as caution and to ensure durability? Car has always had oil changes on time!

Along with cams I will change distribution kit obviously plus water pump and check pulleys, the tensioner pulley has been replaced recently so that is fine.

Those with experience with F4R and its durability, what else to consider?

 

[Fred@BTM]

you need

a FULL cambelt kit
a FULL accessory belt kit

plus the renault special tools to do the work

otherwise don't touch it

 

[Andyman]

If you dont get 206 bhp will you be really gutted ?

 

[maupineda]

^ Not really after 206hp's, I decided on these as they look very alike C&B. Henk from fastchip have experience with them and he says is a profile that works well with the F4R and give good power/torque gains, and of course the price which looks good value for money. I know these are not C&B but the lift and duration values are the same. We will see. Will keep posting!

About my question, anyone with tuning F4R experience has recommendations?

 

[maupineda]

No more comments?

 

[DannoTheGreat]

first off we aint mates

an the serious answer, go with what fred said. you could always get some head work done to go with them

 

[minisuper666]

^ Not really after 206hp's, I decided on these as they look very alike C&B. Henk from fastchip have experience with them and he says is a profile that works well with the F4R and give good power/torque gains, and of course the price which looks good value for money. I know these are not C&B but the lift and duration values are the same. We will see. Will keep posting!

About my question, anyone with tuning F4R experience has recommendations?

Who's doing your remap mate?

 

[Andyman]

If the cars a high miler, 100k + then technically and if you wanted to throw major caution to the wind, you could fit a dephaser pulley, water pump, maybe even new lifters and tappets if your really worried about the tapping.

For that lot you'd be looking at over 500 quid alone

 

[maupineda]

Who's doing your remap mate?

Henk from fastchip, the RS Tuner is my best option for this as I already have one.

 

[maupineda]

If the cars a high miler, 100k + then technically and if you wanted to throw major caution to the wind, you could fit a dephaser pulley, water pump, maybe even new lifters and tappets if your really worried about the tapping.

For that lot you'd be looking at over 500 quid alone

Thanks for the advice!!! I think I will only change just the belt kits and the water pump along with CAMS. I will do a R&R before and another one after to see how good these do to my car; I will also check on the dephaser pulley!!

 

[franx]

mine was also 70+ , just changed the full belt kit, they also did the waterpump.

And bugger i wish they did'nt touch the waterpump because it's leaking now

 

[maupineda]

mine was also 70+ , just changed the full belt kit, they also did the waterpump.

And bugger i wish they did'nt touch the waterpump because it's leaking now

Thanks for the comment!! Actually your comments and feedback by PM made me finally decide, I know these are not C&B but seem very alike, will see!!!!

 

[maupineda]

CAMS Arrived

Well, I have recieved the engine dynamics cams today, they look very well made, finish quality is really good. Will take pics and post them here. Next is the installation bue I still have another 10,000 miles to go.

 

[maupineda]

Here the photos

 

[joker83]

Have the same time and duration of C&B....

 

[stan*]

Will be intresting to see how good the castings are.

And explains the price difference between these and Catcams, which are billet.

As for the work required, if you are capable and wouldnt find it too much trouble, id see it as an oppurtunity to whip the head of have the seats re-cut and the valves refaced, and definately check the guides for wear.

 

[Jamie]

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Ohh you're in Mexico. Nm

 

[maupineda]

Will be intresting to see how good the castings are.

And explains the price difference between these and Catcams, which are billet.

As for the work required, if you are capable and wouldnt find it too much trouble, id see it as an oppurtunity to whip the head of have the seats re-cut and the valves refaced, and definately check the guides for wear.

Thanks for the advice stan, I will check those while it is in bits to see the engines condition.

Any way to check castings? I know what you mean as they have been only machined at contact surfaces so there is a chance they aren't balanced? But if the castings are well done should not have issues, should I?

 

[stan*]

its not so much the balance I was specifically reffering to, more the quality of the casting in terms of materials used etc which lead to the overall longevity of the part.

im sure they are fine, i was more just rationalising the price difference to myself outloud!

 

[sideways danny]

I'd want to fast idle those on first start as they're cast, just to be confident in the surface hardening, they'll wear very quickly if they're not correctly hardened and you dont treat them the right way. You dont have to worry about that with Billet

 

[maupineda]

I'd want to fast idle those on first start as they're cast, just to be confident in the surface hardening, they'll wear very quickly if they're not correctly hardened and you dont treat them the right way. You dont have to worry about that with Billet

What you mean by fast idle? like leaving the car just sitting there at 2,000 for a while and then check?

 

[sideways danny]

basically you have to "Run in" the cams becuase they're made cheaply. do some reading, but normally 20-30 minutes at 2000rpm

 

[maupineda]

I was doing some reading and found that hardness should be from 52 - 58 Rockwell C. I work in a Ford Assembly Plant and we can check the hardness. We will see.

 

[maupineda]

Stan, Dany

They are not castings, this is what I was answered about material and manufacturing method.

"
Hi Mauricio,

They are Forged steel, this means they are forged to shape then machined to finish, not cast.
"

I have now asked about hardness, though I should be able to measure tomorrow at the Plant. However, forged steel is pretty strong, isn't it?

 

[stan*]

They look very much cast to me. You can see the roughness on the non-machined areas.

chill-cast cams are machined from a cast billet, not a drop-forged billet. Thats what they look like.
There is nothing wrong with chill-cast cams at all.
My concern was about "cheap chinese" cams, which will be cast but to a lower standard, greater impurities, higher chance of fail.

Im not for one second suggesting thats what these are, I was just making an observation.

 

[maupineda]

About Hardness ...

"
Hi Mauricio,

Specification for hardness is 52 - 55 HRC

Andy
"

So not to have problems going by the specification.

 

[Andyman]

Heres some cat cams to compare the difference in build

 

[steviet]

Irrespective of what hardness they are, surely 20 minutes of your time isnt a big ask to avoid the (as small as it may be) risk of shagging your new camshafts.........

 

[maupineda]

Well, after a few months I manages to install cams and also the mapping is going thur development at the moment with Henk, although the car hasn't been completed yet (mapping wise) I got the car on the rollers and this is the outcome, I am not going by the numbers, but the curves I don't like. Is this maybe because it isn't fully mapped yet? What you think?

I must say I have raced another clios and mine is faster so i don't think there is something wrong with it, or so me thinks.

C&C please!

 

[Andyman]

Is that with some kind of base map or stock?

 

[maupineda]

Is that with some kind of base map or stock?

It is a custom map, though not the final one, Henk is working on that. What i don't like is the flat spots from 3 to 3.5K, from 4.5 to 5k and again at 5.5k to 6k

 

[franx]

your temp over there being always 20c Plus is'nt doing it any good ..