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A good set of tyres.
- Thread starter Cueball
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depends if you tootle about or give it some stick.
if my mum drove my car id look at cheaper sets (not that i love her any less i just know she drives like a doris)
however i push my car sometimes and want that extra bit.
saying that even in the need for an emergency stop id imagine better tyres to come in handy
if my mum drove my car id look at cheaper sets (not that i love her any less i just know she drives like a doris)
however i push my car sometimes and want that extra bit.
saying that even in the need for an emergency stop id imagine better tyres to come in handy
DrR
ClioSport Club Member
VW Golf GTD
Answered own question?
My experience would say you only have four contact patches, ( if your wheels arent in the air, even for a split second.) You have already mentioned nangkangs lack of grip etc. Even if you dont exceed the grip level in normal driving, the one time you need all the grip it could really mean life or death. Or no accident.
Does more grip mean a driver can go faster safer on public roads, yes. But thats not what was intended ? i think its the safety margin we all need, and even in these hard times that must be worth it everytime.
The real debate is whether to drop down from michelin at10/10 to say a hankook at 7/10 which i use alot when price is (always) important. Nankangs 5/10
It has taken me so long to get this up it has all be said, hope it helps, mark
Does more grip mean a driver can go faster safer on public roads, yes. But thats not what was intended ? i think its the safety margin we all need, and even in these hard times that must be worth it everytime.
The real debate is whether to drop down from michelin at10/10 to say a hankook at 7/10 which i use alot when price is (always) important. Nankangs 5/10
It has taken me so long to get this up it has all be said, hope it helps, mark
Great post Mark.
Should also try and keep all 4 tyres the same model and don't swap backs to front and vice versa. They wear differently and will have an adverse effect on handling.
Might sound a silly question, but should you only ever fit tyres in pairs (eg. Front pair/Back pair)
On the front one having more tread than the other would affect the steering / grip am I right?
On the front one having more tread than the other would affect the steering / grip am I right?
The tyre debate cant be over discussed.?? yes uniroyals i believe did well in 'which' magazine tests. Yes, grip the same front and rear always a good start. I do swop tyres front to rear,just to wear the rears out before they end up perished or hard, tyres do last 60000 plus on the back of some cars. It is then very important to check wear patterns and advise the owner of grip changes front to rear.
The industry standard as i under stand it, is best grip on the rear especially for front wheel drive. This is not immediately obvious why. Front end slip is much easier to control in extreme. Maybe not as much fun.
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mark
The industry standard as i under stand it, is best grip on the rear especially for front wheel drive. This is not immediately obvious why. Front end slip is much easier to control in extreme. Maybe not as much fun.
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mark
Thanks for all the feedback, http://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b1535s...CHELIN_PS3_-_R16_inch_-_205_45_16_205_45_R_16 am I right in thinking I need the second tyre, the speed rating 'v', thanks
I'm not into swapping tyres although I agree about the perishing as my 4 Goodyears DSG3s They have lasted way too long so are starting to give up a little grip even with 4-5mm on each tyre across the board.
I watched a really good programme on tyres before, it showed how different the tyres wore on the front compared with the back so the edges ect were a totally different shape. When the backs were put on the front and vice versa there was a noticable difference in handling. #
I've tried it myself and changed them back straight away, the feedback through my steering is superb so you feel any niggles at all in the supension/tyres/gemoetry which is good and bad.
Too much spare time probably?
First, get the best online price you can find.
Second, call/visit your local independent tyre fitter and ask them if they will match the price "fitted".
If yes, happy days.
If they can't match it, ask if they will fit the tyre if you supplied. I have never had one say no - forget Kwik Fit etc.
Second, call/visit your local independent tyre fitter and ask them if they will match the price "fitted".
If yes, happy days.
If they can't match it, ask if they will fit the tyre if you supplied. I have never had one say no - forget Kwik Fit etc.
Try and find a local non chain place to fit the tyres, normally cheaper.
Impreza Wagon
Buy the best you can afford, I was on a tighter budget last time I replaced the fronts so I opted for some Hankooks instead of Michelins. I've not even pushed my car on cornering, braking etc so can't comment on the differences that much however the Hankooks do get good reviews on here for a cheaper alterntive.
Clio 197 RB
Probably Kwik s**t, they won't fit annything unless it's purchased from themselves.
182cup & 172 racecar
Cheap tyres you die,better tyres you live. The choice is yours.
Ps3's.
Ps3's.
Nonsense.
I nearly binned the OH's 182 with crappy budgets on the back.
15/20mph on a roundabout in the wet, on my way to work. Turn in gently, SNAP oversteer. Wakey wakey, dab of oppo needed at 7am !
Ok, if you've not got the money for 'premium' tyres I can understand, but at the same time, saving a few quid now, is not worth it at all IMO. If I'd have slid out, or spun and hit someone, it would have cost me more than the difference in insurance premiums next year, let alone the PiTA that is being without a car.
i can see your point which is why i mentioned braking distances
BUT
id imagine 90% of the people on the roads run budgets and are fine. my mum, auntie, grandmother etc etc probably buy budgets and have never had problems. granted youre at an increased risk, but massively? not really if you 'tootle about'.
more expensive tyres are generally better, but to the general public john smith and joe bloggs who potter about town not in a noticable way imo.
This will start to go the way of the winter tyres in winter debate.
A tyre is the single most important component on the car. A poor tyre can ruin steering feel, cause nervous braking, induce under/oversteer etc regardless of how fast you drive.
Buy a decent set of tyres - Michelin PS3, Uniroyal Rainsport 2, Hankook [??], Vredestein (Quatrac 3 is an all season tyre that gets good reviews) etc. are worth that bit extra. The reason they cost more is the millions spent on developing them.
If you are looking at 205 45 16, nothing is cheap as it seems to be an odd size.
A tyre is the single most important component on the car. A poor tyre can ruin steering feel, cause nervous braking, induce under/oversteer etc regardless of how fast you drive.
Buy a decent set of tyres - Michelin PS3, Uniroyal Rainsport 2, Hankook [??], Vredestein (Quatrac 3 is an all season tyre that gets good reviews) etc. are worth that bit extra. The reason they cost more is the millions spent on developing them.
If you are looking at 205 45 16, nothing is cheap as it seems to be an odd size.
*facepalm*
As I said, I was 'tootling' below the lowest normal residential speed limit. I didn't understeer into a hedge chasing a Cup.
Budgets are a false economy in my experience. I put them on my own car years ago when I knew no better. First time it rained, the thing locked up and I nearly ended it right there ! They didn't hang about much longer.
Utter trash.
Each to their own anyway ! As mentioned, they're the only thing between you and the road. Why compromise ?
Also as mentioned, this is only going to go one way, so I'm out !
:rasp:
get some Hankook V12's good for the money!
and LOL at garyf, you recommend budgets if you tootle around? wtf you on, drugs?
driving a car is driving a car, if you "tootle" on the motorway or a dual carriageway and cannot stop then what? it obviously can't be the tyres fault because you're not breaking the speed limit!
as said earlier, it's the only thing keeping you on the road! do the sensible thing and don't skimp out!
and LOL at garyf, you recommend budgets if you tootle around? wtf you on, drugs?
driving a car is driving a car, if you "tootle" on the motorway or a dual carriageway and cannot stop then what? it obviously can't be the tyres fault because you're not breaking the speed limit!
as said earlier, it's the only thing keeping you on the road! do the sensible thing and don't skimp out!
I personally haven't used the PS3's, and went for Hankooks as they were recommended on the forum (plus PS3's were a large chunk of money during the time i didn't have a job).
Hopefully someone will come along having used both!
not true, they fitted my tyres and i got them off the net
you dont have to buy expensive tyres to get what you want, best you can afford, I have just got some toyo proxes 4's and am more than happy !
Everyone has an opinion on tyres. Some love one type, some hate them. Everyone seems to think Paradas are awful but I loved them all year round on my old Ph1.
Check out online reviews (official ones (google them)) not what we think on here :rasp:
V12's are good IMO, PS2s were OK but not epic as some make out .. UniRoyal Rainsport 2/3 generally get praise and are quite cheap.
If you're going to wave your wallet around in here, get a set of winters and a set of decent summers too, unless you happen to live in Miami or something
Check out online reviews (official ones (google them)) not what we think on here :rasp:
V12's are good IMO, PS2s were OK but not epic as some make out .. UniRoyal Rainsport 2/3 generally get praise and are quite cheap.
If you're going to wave your wallet around in here, get a set of winters and a set of decent summers too, unless you happen to live in Miami or something
182cup & 172 racecar
We are all too young(yes even me) to die,because of sh1t tyres.
Unless it's winter. Then you just drive to the conditions. Right?
Would agree but Rainsport 2s in 205 45 16 are becoming very very difficult to get hold of for some reason unless UR have made a new batch.
Those who have used Hankooks tend to report they are not that good in the rain which is pretty much the predominant weather condition in the UK.
I have tried the Rainsport 2s and they were OK but did squirm when you lean on them. The Michelin is the one for me - I do think you get what you pay for, they wear well too I believe.
im not saying id buy budgets because i wouldnt. im not saying that at all, i understand that theyre the one part on the car that shouldnt be skimped on.
my point is that 90% of the driving population probably do buy budgets, and the massive majority dont seem to have a problem as they drive to the conditions as roy said. I do however understand that youd be less likely to get in a pickle and more likely to get out of one should you have better tyres.
so :rasp: yourself
my point is that 90% of the driving population probably do buy budgets, and the massive majority dont seem to have a problem as they drive to the conditions as roy said. I do however understand that youd be less likely to get in a pickle and more likely to get out of one should you have better tyres.
so :rasp: yourself
182cup & 172 racecar
Watch this.
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George@RTR_Parts
ClioSport Trader
As everyone else has said buy the best you can afford, if that means waiting for another pay day to come round then wait. The tyres from the bigger brands tend to last longer aswel.
Went to a job at work lately were a young lass had ended up in a farmers field in her car on its roof. Clear b road no ice/mud/oil on road with good visability a very slight right bend that she had "failed to negotiate".
I always find myself having a quick look at the tyres, and it had 4 "randon-sh1te-make-nobody-has-heard-of-sports" on with plenty of tread. Me and my mate (who has a Meg 225 who puts decent tyres on it) both just shook our heads. Can't help thinking that if she had better tyres on she maybe wouldn't have ended up in the tangle that she did.
Went to a job at work lately were a young lass had ended up in a farmers field in her car on its roof. Clear b road no ice/mud/oil on road with good visability a very slight right bend that she had "failed to negotiate".
I always find myself having a quick look at the tyres, and it had 4 "randon-sh1te-make-nobody-has-heard-of-sports" on with plenty of tread. Me and my mate (who has a Meg 225 who puts decent tyres on it) both just shook our heads. Can't help thinking that if she had better tyres on she maybe wouldn't have ended up in the tangle that she did.
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