Air filters and induction stuff... ?

[boyce]

only had my first car for a few days so go easy on me. first im very sorry, i know this has all been posted before but having spent 2 hours reading through posts with either the word induction, viper or panel in them im still feeling rather confused.

Im a bit of a novice to this whole thing so can we first just clear a few of the basics up. this whole air infact stuff is all about getting as much cold air into the engine as you can, right?

just tell me if ive got this right;

an induction kit is when you replace the original air box - This gives you LOTS more noise and a slight drop in BHP because you are taking in warm air?

a closed induction kit is where you replce the air box with an induction kit and link it directly up to a pipe that lets cold air in from the front bumper - This gives you extra noise, some say it improves BHP others says it makes it worse?

a Panel filter goes inside the standard air box and replaces the stanard one in there - This gives a Little bit more BHP and better throttle response?

cold air feed and drilled air box - something to do with a panel filter but have no idea what they are?

remapping, changes the cars computer to cope with the new air flow - is this the same as chipping?
should everyone get this done once they have had any of the above fitted?
If you have this done after getting a closed induction kit fitted will it NOW give a BHP increase?

Basically im trying to work out what is best to do to my 2002 1.6 16v clio. The main thing i want is performance increase, more BHP if its posible and a little bit of extra engine noise to go with it.

 

[Martin_172]

best way to make your 1.6 faster is to turn it into a go-kart, coilover suspension if you can afford it, if not the Apex -60mm kit (ive got it on my 1.2) then get yourself a full catback exhaust, sports cat or decat if you can be arsed with the hastle of a decat, pannel filter in the standard airbox.

these engine mods will give you a small power boost but will make it more fun to drive (louder, more responsive etc)

EDIT: and the suspension will make the car handle brilliant, makes it so much more fun to drive and allows you to corner a lot faster than usual, allowing you to go faster than any Realistic engine mods you can do

 

[boyce]

thanks for the reply martin.

well i was putting new alloys + tyers, lowered, new suspension (dunno what coilover is) and paint my calipors into there own list of things that need doing as they can all get done in one BIG go.

I was just trying to work out what sort of air filter was the best to go for, for what i want. then it can be added to the list and i can work out what stuff goes best with that so i dont end up having to sell stuff when i upgrade something else later on.

you say panel is the best to go for.
what if i dont get a new exhaust, would that mean it was better to go for a closed induction kit?

 

[kully]

if you defo getting an induction kit................go for the closed 1s

 

[tommyboy]

vipers are a good bet but cost rather much

 

[kully]

vipers are a good bet but cost rather much

not as much as the maxogen ones.............some1 on here selling 1 for 180 ish

 

[SteveC047]

I used to own a 1.4 Dynamic+ What i found that worked best on the car was sticking to a Panel filter from the likes of K&N, Pipercross.

They wont give any power gains, but at the same time you wont lose power, like you would from fitting an induction kit.

If you are looking for noise, then you would be better off as others have said to purchase something like the Viper Kit.

I cant get hold of a specific Viper that will fit onto your 1.6, but there is a full range of universal fit Vipers that i can get hold of. Prices range from £199 up to £250 depending if you want one with a airfeed (which is suggested).

The panel filters start of at around £32.for the Pipercross, which is what i now have fitted to my Trophy, and i feel it was worth every penny i spent on it.

The one thing i noticed when fitting a panel filter into the 1.4 was that at around 3500rpm the car felt less sluggish and lost a bit of the bogging down sensastion.

 

[boyce]

after much more reading it seems like a panel filter is the thing to go for as im not looking to a huge engine noise and a good one seems to improve responce. I have PM'ed BRUN to see if he can sort me a ITG one out.

Is there anything i can do to gain just a little bit of engine noise?

What else do i need to buy to go with the panel filter?
some tubing to go from the airbox into the engine?
and do i need some tubing to go from the grill/wheel arch into the airbox?

 

[SteveC047]

With regards to chaninging the panel filter, all you need is the filter, there is no need for additonal pipe work or ducting.

If you need a price PM Me and i will see what i can sort out for you

 

[lewba]

im in the same boat as you boyce! i was told that a bmc cda closed induction kit is the best thing to get but i think thats wrong from this thread! help fellas!

 

[Neil G]

Closed BMC is a good filter but on a standard 1.6 engine it's probably a bit too much to spend.

Panel is definately the way to go

 

[Dink]

i wouldn't get a panel filter tbh.

you need to get rid of the resonnator box inline with the iduction pipe as this gets silly hot.

this is what i got on my 1.6

and coilovers and good tyres is the way to go:approve:

 

[lewba]

ok! do you get any engine noise from a panel filter? i would like a bit of grunt! so whats coilovers all about then! lol! im a novice at this type of thing!

 

[bmh.01]

i wouldn't get a panel filter tbh.

you need to get rid of the resonnator box inline with the iduction pipe as this gets silly hot.

this is what i got on my 1.6

and coilovers and good tyres is the way to go:approve:

Yep 'tis true the resonator gets well heated by the engine which will obviously heat the air going through which is bad. What I did was get a k&n panel filter and replace the resonator with some venair cold air ducting which runs to the standard air pickup behind the passenger headlight.
May have made a small power difference but I doubt it, one thing it does do which is why I did it mainly is that it makes the best noise ever. Its quite loud really under wide open throttle.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pih.01/ik800/
It may be a bit ghetto but you should have seen homebrew ik mk1 if you think thats bad. I'm happy with this one and it'll be staying for the forseeable future. Total cost was about £50.

 

[Peperami]

To be honest though ^^ on all of the above, is it really worth the effort for .1bhp increase on a 1.6...

Just get a panel filter and be done with it matey, and get out there and enjoy driving the thing!

 

[bmh.01]

^^
True tbh, you won't see any noticable difference. I only went to that length for noise alone.

 

[Dink]

well i needed a new cone on my ramcharger and the bmc was free so what the hell

 

[Gavin_x2c]

k&n aint that bad mine just sound loud which is wat i wanted the bhp dont really bother me to much

here's a pic

K&N 57i

 

[Neil G]

To be honest though ^^ on all of the above, is it really worth the effort for .1bhp increase on a 1.6...

Just get a panel filter and be done with it matey, and get out there and enjoy driving the thing!

Spot on

 

[Saner]

As I said in the other post, your best of getting a panel filter, and if you want a little more noise do as in bmh.01's pictures, remove teh resonator and replace with pipe. Something I have also done.

 

[Harry_manback]

i have this

it cost about £80, dont think it does alot either way to be honest, it does make it feel like theres a bit more lower down, in the revs if anything.

and its faster than a standard 1.4 16v, which is proven regularly.

www.harrymanback.com/ik.wmv
a little video

 

[Saner]

Haven't seen one of them before!

What is it and where from!?

 

[Harry_manback]

http://www.simota.com/

got it off the bay.

 

[Gavin_x2c]

looks nice dude

 

[bmh.01]

Looked at one of those but wasn't sure if its suitable for the 1.6 so didn't bother. They are the same engine pretty much bar the longer stroke but I didn't want to risk it.

 

[Pep]

ive got a 1.2 16v clio, 04 plate, ive got a k&n panel filter, which is good, its given me a bit more grunt in the way of sound, but only slightly, also, the relocation intake pipe on my car, takes the air intake to behind the passenger side light, so there is no direct way for the air to get into the box, i have unclipped this pipe from the front of the airbox so the air comes through the grille and straight into the airbox, so in effect the faster i go the faster air os getting into my airbox, these things together have given a more beefy sound, definately needed for a 1,2! and also it does seem to rev a bit freer, especially after around 3500rpm.

if you want noise go for a full blown induction kit, but for better airflow and filtration a panel filter is the cheapest option and easiest to fit.

 

[kully]

i dont care ..................viper all day long

 

[ed_172_cup]

so wot is THE filter to go for???? i have a 172 cup and love a nice induction roar as much as the nxt guy but dnt wanna sacrifice power....

 

[Pep]

k&n brag that with every induction kit they sell there is a power increase, im not sur ehow mcuh it will be as they dont quote figures, but they say each one will increase power, check their website if you want.

they give a good roar aswell, so you could go for a 57i, get a relocation pipe that brings it infront of the engine into the crumple zone and directly behind your grille.
ideally you would want a heat shield between the engine and the filter, a bit of alu or stainless bolted onto an existing bracket would do to reflect the heat.

also, looking at the front of the car, most relocation pipes bring the filter to the left hand side grille piece (still looking towards the engine from the front)
so you could leave that there, and then get some flexible hosing from your right hand grille, and take that the the back of the filter (closest part to heat shield/engine) this will then give you a good supply from 2 locations, and also the 'ram' element from the windspeed.

some people have told me if the heat shield is rolled around at the bottom and the top to somewhat fit the filter, except a bigger diameter so there is a few inches of space all around the filter, this will cause the air that doesnt go directly into the filter to roll around both the top and the bottom of the heat shield to cause some turbulence around the filter, i cannot remember if this turbulence is a good or bad thing to be honest, someone else may know a bit more than me on this.

hope that rambling essay helps, however probably not!!!

 

[ed_172_cup]

mate u typed all that in 5mins.....! very helpful tho so good work! the k&n gen2 comes with a heat shield but not sure if they make one for a ph2 172 cup??

 

[Pep]

haha, i think of what im going to put, and if i dont get it down fast its gone!
im pretty sure the heat shields are plastic, but i think theres a fair price jump (not 100% sure as they dont do them for my car so havent payed much attention to them) it could be cheaper overall, if a little more work to make your own, plus if you.ve got an alu header tank etc, a nicely done alu heat shield would go with the rest of the engine.

post up some pics when you've got what you want!

 

[Ruffneck]

K&N Panel Filter

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&item=260010542663&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

 

[JclioD]

This is what ive done

http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00123wi8.jpg

removed original pipe, and put this one there, and ive got two induction pipes leading into that main one, this allows engine "roar" and a lot of air to get in. i also have a K&N panel filter, this has made it more responsive, and is quicker than standard 1.4 (i have raced a mate in one, but then it could be my driving) theres your problem solved dude

 

[Neil G]

so wot is THE filter to go for???? i have a 172 cup and love a nice induction roar as much as the nxt guy but dnt wanna sacrifice power....

Maxogen if you've got the cashola