amd or intel processer

[bill]

can someone please explain how they are different, in simple terms please, as i'm not a computer boff, is one better than the other and if so why? i may need to choose one or the other for a laptop, but have no idea which or why lol

cheers

 

[Longy]

just choose intel - intel is king at the moment

no technical info needed

 

[McBunny]

intel better architecture its more efficient yada yada yada

if its a core 2 duo you cant go far wrong



although the amd opterons arnt bad server cpu's

 

[Darren S]

AMD are cheap as chips and powerful. I currently run an AMD X2 Black Edition 6400+ which is more than capable for anything out there at the moment.

Intel have the better chips at the moment and cost slightly more. More robust and arguably more 'stable' than AMDs. Quad-cores (from both manufacturers) are gimmicks at the moment if you want it for nothing other than gaming - but I'm sure that will change in the near future.

D.

 

[Rasclart]

Intel are meant to be "the better" chip but to be honest they do run a faster but they are not like night and day IMO. I personally run Intel but we mainly use AMD for our builds at work and they are fine work horses and are quick.

If your on a budget then AMD you cant go wrong with.

 

[bill]

right i'll try and get an intel then, thing is the laptop i was looking at is amd although there is an alternative with intel, both are dell, s**t"~ late for work, back later!

 

[H182]

AMD are cheap as chips and powerful. I currently run an AMD X2 Black Edition 6400+ which is more than capable for anything out there at the moment.

You opted to upgrade to the black then D. How does it compare to what you had previously, much difference?

 

[Daz]

Depends on the application.. I'd choose Xeon for an Exchange server, but I chose Opteron for the ClioSport server, just because of the different tasks.

For a desktop PC or laptop, definetely Intel at the moment.. Core2Duo. You can't go wrong.

 

[Darren S]

AMD are cheap as chips and powerful. I currently run an AMD X2 Black Edition 6400+ which is more than capable for anything out there at the moment.

You opted to upgrade to the black then D. How does it compare to what you had previously, much difference?

Quite a big step up from my 4800+, H.

I reinstalled MoH:A again the other night and the increased smoothness was very noticable. MoH:A uses between 90% and 100% on both cores - and not a lot of games do that. However, I upped the clocks to 3.52Ghz per core (+10%) and it became a little unstable. Sometimes it would run a good hour+ and at others, it could restart the PC within 10 seconds.

Turns out that the memory is the issue - the stock timings on the DDR2-800 I have just aren't good enough to keep up. For the time being, I've set the CPU clocks back to their default at 3.2Ghz per core. And everything is fine and dandy. :approve:

D.

 

[Darren S]

Depends on the application.. I'd choose Xeon for an Exchange server, but I chose Opteron for the ClioSport server, just because of the different tasks.

For a desktop PC or laptop, definetely Intel at the moment.. Core2Duo. You can't go wrong.

Aye, 'tis a good one. We recently got a dual-CPU, Xeon Quad-Core server as another Citrix box. And that thing bloody flies!

Mind you, I think we're going a tad off bill's original question of a recommendation for a laptop here - lol!

D.

 

[Rasclart]

Dual CPU Xeon Dual core FTW

We just put one in the at a Solicitors it is a flier.

 

[Darren S]

Dual CPU Xeon Dual core FTW

We just put one in the at a Solicitors it is a flier.

.....eight cores........ FTW!

D.

 

[Rasclart]

pfffffffffffttttttt

 

[J203425]

You get far more for your money with AMD.

 

[Rasclart]

You get far more for your money with AMD.

Explain

 

[Longy]

You get far more for your money with AMD.

3 years ago maybe.

 

[Griff]

http://www.marc2003.ukfsn.org/ocuk/3dmark/results.php

Spot the AMD's..

 

[Darren S]

http://www.marc2003.ukfsn.org/ocuk/3dmark/results.php

Spot the AMD's..

It's only because the AMD'ers haven't posted as much....

In all seriousness though, there are some puzzling results in there - just glancing over the specs. I lost faith in 3DMark quite a while ago, tbh....

D.

 

[Griff]

I can't see any "puzzling" results.. AMD are crap of late.. That's about as scientific as it gets.

 

[GordonD]

Sometimes Intel produces a better chip than AMD, then AMD makes a step forward with its technology, and its ahead for a while. When they are ahead with technology they charge more, when they're behind they cut the price and try to persuade you to buy their product on the vasis of "value for money".

Intel's Core 2 chips are ahead of AMD on technology at the moment. So AMD chips are cheap. And AMD as a result is losing money. On the other hand Intel is lagging badly with its quad-processor chips, so if you're looking for a server processor you get better performance from AMD.

 

[David]

at the moment, intel is better. done.

 

[Darren S]

I can't see any "puzzling" results.. AMD are crap of late.. That's about as scientific as it gets.

Come on Griff - that's a sweeping statement. They aren't as good as Intel, but they are far from 'crap'.

D.

 

[ViolentJ]

I use an AMD X2 64 4600+ in a machine I built last May. Everything runs fast and stable, can't fault it at all. You do not need the latest and greatest for a fast stable machine!

It's all very well forking out for the Core2Duo but would the average user actually notice any difference whatsoever? I very much doubt it!

 

[Mike_182]

Dual CPU Xeon Dual core FTW

We just put one in the at a Solicitors it is a flier.

.....eight cores........ FTW!

D.

Meh, 16 cores and 32Gb memory FTW! No pics as yet though lol, it's being delivered next month!

 

[Mike_182]

It's all very well forking out for the Core2Duo but would the average user actually notice any difference whatsoever? I very much doubt it!

Yes.

AMD vs Intel speedwise (actual speed, not clock or number of cores) the Intels run a huge amount cooler... Making quieter machines... Which believe it or not makes a difference.

I can hear my old laptop on from 10m away - and it's not too loud (only 2 years old in August). The latest laptops (like my work D630 2.6Ghz Core2Duo) are much quieter.

And $ for $, AMD has been licked. They know they have, they're still trying to claw back with the joke that is Phenom. It didn't even dent Intel Q-series sales.

And as for servers, our entire room is full of Intels so currently I've no benchmark, but a couple of years ago AMD overtook Intel very briefly before the new line of Xeons (prior to the current) took hold and ripped their market to shreds. Hence why they're now sat with ATI (who IMO are also failing miserably!).

ATI had one product that was worth buying IMO - it's All In Wonders and TV Wonders. Graphics-wise since the 6*00s they've been pipped at every post by nVidia. Same story on the business workstation front. And ATI have stopped doing the AIWs and the TV Wonders are rockinghorseshit!

 

[Mike_182]

I can't see any "puzzling" results.. AMD are crap of late.. That's about as scientific as it gets.

Come on Griff - that's a sweeping statement. They aren't as good as Intel, but they are far from 'crap'.

D.

Disagree, they've yet to produce something that can do anything towards counter the Core2 invasion...

 

[bill]

right, i have 2 laptops i'm interested in here, one uses amd, the other intel,

heres the amd one, it works out at £589

AMD® Turion™ 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL60
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium - English
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Jet Black Colour with Matte Finish & 2.0mp camera
17.0" Widescreen WXGA+ (1440x900) TFT Display with TrueLife™
2048MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
320GB (5400RPM) SATA Hard Drives RAID 0 Stripe (2X160GB)
ATI Radeon® Xpress 1270 HyperMemory (integrated)
Fixed Internal 8X DVD+/-RW Drive including Software
Primary 6-cell Lithium-Ion Battery (56 WHr)
Accessories
Dell™ Wireless 355 Bluetooth 2.0 Module (up to 3Mbps) with Enhanced Data rate - Eur
Dell™ Wireless 1390 802.11b/g Mini-Card - Europe
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English
Services & Software
No Accidental Damage Support
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
Also Includes
N0172106
Inspiron Order - UK
English Documentation with English/Irish Power Cord
Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)
90W AC Adapter
56.6k V.92 Capable Internal Modem & Adapter - UK
Internal Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Dell™ Travel Remote Control
Dell Internet Order.
No Carry Case

heres the intel one, it works out at £609

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor T5450 (1.66 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2-cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium - English
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Jet Black Colour with Matte Finish & 2.0mp camera
17.0" Widescreen WXGA+ (1440x900) TFT Display with TrueLife™
2048MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
320GB (5400RPM) SATA duel Hard Drives (2x 160gb)
nVidia® GeForce™ Go 8400M GS with 128MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory
Fixed Internal 8X DVD+/-RW Drive including Software
Primary 6-cell Lithium-Ion Battery (56 WHr)
Accessories
No Carry Case
Dell™ Wireless 355 Bluetooth 2.0 Module (up to 3Mbps) with Enhanced Data rate - Eur
Intel® Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-Card - Europe
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English
Services & Software
No Accidental Damage Support
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
Also Includes
N0172008
Inspiron Order - UK
English Documentation with English/Irish Power Cord
Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)
90W AC Adapter
56.6k V.92 Capable Internal Modem & Adapter - UK
Internal Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Dell Internet Order.

to put it bluntly which one would you go for? which one is the better laptop?

ps. these deals run out at 12pm tonight, so any help in pointing me in the right direction much appreciated unless there are better laptops to be had for this price?

NOW EDITED AGAIN, BOTH 320GB HARD DRIVE, cheers

 

[Mike_182]

2nd one twice over - although if you can push it a little further and get it to maybe a 2Ghz processor for less than £50 (not sure on the pricing) then it'll be worth it in the long run.

Just been on the site, if you can go to £645.50 this setup will give you that little bit more...

Components

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7250 (2.00 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 800 MHz FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium - English
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Jet Black Colour with Matte Finish & 2.0mp camera
17.0" Widescreen WXGA+ (1440x900) TFT Display with TrueLife™
2048MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
320GB (5400RPM) SATA Dual Hard Drives (2X160GB)
nVidia® GeForce™ Go 8400M GS with 128MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory
Fixed Internal 8X DVD+/-RW Drive including Software
Primary 9-cell Lithium-Ion Battery (85 WHr)

Accessories
No Carry Case
Dell™ Wireless 355 Bluetooth 2.0 Module (up to 3Mbps) with Enhanced Data rate - Eur
Intel® Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-Card - Europe
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English

Services & Software
No Accidental Damage Support
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English

Also Includes
N0172008
Inspiron Order - UK
English Documentation with English/Irish Power Cord
Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)
90W AC Adapter
56.6k V.92 Capable Internal Modem & Adapter - UK
Internal Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Dell Internet Order.

That's been customised as follows from the standard 1721 on their Home site:

T7250 Core2Duo Processor - 2Ghz processor
320Gb dual hard drives (although I'd stick with 250Gb single drive myself - £30 towards the Ultrasharp screen which pushes the price to £700 including shipping total if you can stretch - those are absolutely stunning screens)
Primary 9-cell Lithium-Ion battery. Will make a huge difference to the life of your laptop on battery, which I think is important - may not be to you so again would be pennies towards the screen upgrade or the Graphics upgrade to 8400GT - depends if you'll be gaming on it.

Give me a shout if you want any more detailed advice. If I were to build one and buy one now it'd have the processor I've listed, a 250Gb drive, the 8400GT, Ultrasharp screen and the battery upgrade, but it's all dependant on your budget. If you can push to £700-ish you've got the option of great graphics and screen, or for £650 you can have an extra 70Gb storage (not much), average screen and a fairly good graphics card.

*EDIT* Just read that the disks are striped. Sounds OTT for a laptop but the weakest point of a laptop is it's disk throughput nowadays so that would help greatly... But it's also twice as likely to fail.

 

[Darren S]

It's all very well forking out for the Core2Duo but would the average user actually notice any difference whatsoever? I very much doubt it!

Yes.

AMD vs Intel speedwise (actual speed, not clock or number of cores) the Intels run a huge amount cooler... Making quieter machines... Which believe it or not makes a difference.

I can hear my old laptop on from 10m away - and it's not too loud (only 2 years old in August). The latest laptops (like my work D630 2.6Ghz Core2Duo) are much quieter.

And $ for $, AMD has been licked. They know they have, they're still trying to claw back with the joke that is Phenom. It didn't even dent Intel Q-series sales.

And as for servers, our entire room is full of Intels so currently I've no benchmark, but a couple of years ago AMD overtook Intel very briefly before the new line of Xeons (prior to the current) took hold and ripped their market to shreds. Hence why they're now sat with ATI (who IMO are also failing miserably!).

ATI had one product that was worth buying IMO - it's All In Wonders and TV Wonders. Graphics-wise since the 6*00s they've been pipped at every post by nVidia. Same story on the business workstation front. And ATI have stopped doing the AIWs and the TV Wonders are rockinghorses**t!

..... of course. That's why Crossfire cards took all the top 5 spots in Griff's 3DMark link then.

Come on Griff - that's a sweeping statement. They aren't as good as Intel, but they are far from 'crap'.

D.

Disagree, they've yet to produce something that can do anything towards counter the Core2 invasion...

What I'm saying is that they are far from crap. Put a typical gamer in front of two identical looking PCs (one AMD, one Intel) and they would unlikely to be able to tell the difference when running any of the top games at the moment. And lets face it. If you can get a framerate of 350+ on a Q3 test - are you really arsed if a higher spec machine can manage 400 fps?

Crap in my eyes would be an Intel spec PC running 60+ fps in Crysis and an AMD comparible PC managing 5fps.

right, i have 2 laptops i'm interested in here, one uses amd, the other intel,

heres the amd one, it works out at £589

AMD® Turion™ 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL60
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium - English
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Jet Black Colour with Matte Finish & 2.0mp camera
17.0" Widescreen WXGA+ (1440x900) TFT Display with TrueLife™
2048MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
320GB (5400RPM) SATA Hard Drives RAID 0 Stripe (2X160GB)
ATI Radeon® Xpress 1270 HyperMemory (integrated)
Fixed Internal 8X DVD+/-RW Drive including Software
Primary 6-cell Lithium-Ion Battery (56 WHr)
Accessories
Dell™ Wireless 355 Bluetooth 2.0 Module (up to 3Mbps) with Enhanced Data rate - Eur
Dell™ Wireless 1390 802.11b/g Mini-Card - Europe
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English
Services & Software
No Accidental Damage Support
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
Also Includes
N0172106
Inspiron Order - UK
English Documentation with English/Irish Power Cord
Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)
90W AC Adapter
56.6k V.92 Capable Internal Modem & Adapter - UK
Internal Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Dell™ Travel Remote Control
Dell Internet Order.
No Carry Case

heres the intel one, it works out at £609

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor T5450 (1.66 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2-cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium - English
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Jet Black Colour with Matte Finish & 2.0mp camera
17.0" Widescreen WXGA+ (1440x900) TFT Display with TrueLife™
2048MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
320GB (5400RPM) SATA duel Hard Drives (2x 160gb)
nVidia® GeForce™ Go 8400M GS with 128MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory
Fixed Internal 8X DVD+/-RW Drive including Software
Primary 6-cell Lithium-Ion Battery (56 WHr)
Accessories
No Carry Case
Dell™ Wireless 355 Bluetooth 2.0 Module (up to 3Mbps) with Enhanced Data rate - Eur
Intel® Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-Card - Europe
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English
Services & Software
No Accidental Damage Support
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
Also Includes
N0172008
Inspiron Order - UK
English Documentation with English/Irish Power Cord
Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)
90W AC Adapter
56.6k V.92 Capable Internal Modem & Adapter - UK
Internal Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Dell Internet Order.

to put it bluntly which one would you go for? which one is the better laptop?

ps. these deals run out at 12pm tonight, so any help in pointing me in the right direction much appreciated unless there are better laptops to be had for this price?

NOW EDITED AGAIN, BOTH 320GB HARD DRIVE, cheers

bill - for the difference in price above, the Intel would be the better choice. Especially if heat & noise (or lack of!) are important to you. One of the Turion 64 laptops we bought recently gets very, very hot - even when left at the desktop.

D.

 

[bill]

2nd one twice over - although if you can push it a little further and get it to maybe a 2Ghz processor for less than £50 (not sure on the pricing) then it'll be worth it in the long run.

Just been on the site, if you can go to £645.50 this setup will give you that little bit more...

Components

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7250 (2.00 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache, 800 MHz FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium - English
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Jet Black Colour with Matte Finish & 2.0mp camera
17.0" Widescreen WXGA+ (1440x900) TFT Display with TrueLife™
2048MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
320GB (5400RPM) SATA Dual Hard Drives (2X160GB)
nVidia® GeForce™ Go 8400M GS with 128MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory
Fixed Internal 8X DVD+/-RW Drive including Software
Primary 9-cell Lithium-Ion Battery (85 WHr)

Accessories
No Carry Case
Dell™ Wireless 355 Bluetooth 2.0 Module (up to 3Mbps) with Enhanced Data rate - Eur
Intel® Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-Card - Europe
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English

Services & Software
No Accidental Damage Support
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English

Also Includes
N0172008
Inspiron Order - UK
English Documentation with English/Irish Power Cord
Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)
90W AC Adapter
56.6k V.92 Capable Internal Modem & Adapter - UK
Internal Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
1 Year Base Warranty - Collect & Return
Dell Internet Order.

That's been customised as follows from the standard 1721 on their Home site:

T7250 Core2Duo Processor - 2Ghz processor
320Gb dual hard drives (although I'd stick with 250Gb single drive myself - £30 towards the Ultrasharp screen which pushes the price to £700 including shipping total if you can stretch - those are absolutely stunning screens)
Primary 9-cell Lithium-Ion battery. Will make a huge difference to the life of your laptop on battery, which I think is important - may not be to you so again would be pennies towards the screen upgrade or the Graphics upgrade to 8400GT - depends if you'll be gaming on it.

Give me a shout if you want any more detailed advice. If I were to build one and buy one now it'd have the processor I've listed, a 250Gb drive, the 8400GT, Ultrasharp screen and the battery upgrade, but it's all dependant on your budget. If you can push to £700-ish you've got the option of great graphics and screen, or for £650 you can have an extra 70Gb storage (not much), average screen and a fairly good graphics card.

*EDIT* Just read that the disks are striped. Sounds OTT for a laptop but the weakest point of a laptop is it's disk throughput nowadays so that would help greatly... But it's also twice as likely to fail.

hi mike, i've ordered the intel one, i upgraded the processer to 1.88 (i think, or there abouts ) but apart from that i left it be, was in a rush lol, thanks for the advice though pal, i may well be pm'ing you soon, and i may try and alter my order a tad to suit what you've advised, thanks again,

cheers for the help everyone

 

[Mikey23]

If you are into games etc you are best off with an intel (core 2 duo or above, although a quad core 2.4 is around £150, and you can easily overclock this to 3.0ghz which makes this an excellent buy). The higher clocks speeds do translate to better performance for most desktop users.

However, AMD actually have a much more effiecnt & better processor design and deals with I/O and memory requests access MUCH faster than the intel CPU's (hence the slower clock speeds - think the max is actually 1.9ghz at the mo, but they are comparable with much higher rated inte clock speeds). These CPU's come highly recommended in a server environment where you are going to be doing a lot of read/writting of data. (e.g vm ware, Database server etc)

With regards to Prices.... there is not that big a difference anymore. AMD used to undercut intel by a considerable amount...... it was good that AMD came along, as it has given itel some competition. Right now CPU's are so cheap, Intel are trying to squeeze AMD out by cutting their profits so low, so great for consumers!- AMD is a relatively new comer compared to intel and don't have anywhere near the amount of cash in the bank, hence you see the likes of ATI teaming up with AMD.


woooo ok i've gone on long enuff............

 

[16v_jon]

I have a transmeta crusoe FTW

 

[David]

exactly, competition is exactly what the CPU world needs. I hope Athlon do bring out something good, i've heard their server CPUs are actually better than the intel equivalents. Sames goes for ATi and Nvidia, we need the competition to keep technology developing quickly..

 

[bill]

well, io ordered the one with an intel processer, upped it to 2GHz processer and upped the battery to a primary 9 cell, cheers for the help mike _182 and everyone else

TOTAL PRICE WAS £720 delivered, said about 3 weeks for delivery, cant wait to get rid of my pre-historic lump of terd that i currently use!

 

[ivegota16v]

lol some of these comments are so wrong!

amd more efficent in servers! better memory access lol!! what a joke!! intels cpus use less power and have faster memory access in everyway!! Intel are currently down to 45nm with High K AMD cant ever get anywhere near it!! the core 2 architecture is worlds ahead of anything amd can offer!

i can go right into the details here but end of the day intel are much much better than AMD in every aspect for chips, AMD's quad core is so behind our quad core its unreal. a simple way to look is check out AMD's stock price to see how great there chips are!!

 

[Mike_182]

lol some of these comments are so wrong!

amd more efficent in servers! better memory access lol!! what a joke!! intels cpus use less power and have faster memory access in everyway!! Intel are currently down to 45nm with High K AMD cant ever get anywhere near it!! the core 2 architecture is worlds ahead of anything amd can offer!

i can go right into the details here but end of the day intel are much much better than AMD in every aspect for chips, AMD's quad core is so behind our quad core its unreal. a simple way to look is check out AMD's stock price to see how great there chips are!!

Balls, fool.

AMD's Memory Transport is a long way faster than the Intel equivalent - why do you think Nehalem (and it's 32nm successor) is pegged to move to an onboard memory controller.

Take your pub knowledge home, AMD aren't great but they have advantages in certain areas and if I were to build a database server to be a mother of all servers I'd use an AMD chip due to the way it handles memory better. If I were to game I'd use a Core2 as they are better at threaded processing.

And the 45nm chips have only just started going to market, with a Q6600-replacement 'due soon' (Intel's best selling Quad core processor).

See http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2071433,00.asp - AMD aren't far off the ball and are going about it with much more specific aims than Intel did.

 

[MikeyK18]

intels are a bit quicker at teh min, bt intels are only quicker becasue AMD always bring out the better technology 1st n then Intel wrks on making it better afterwards

AMD is cheaper and easier to upgrade

AMD FTW

 

[Mike_182]

intels are a bit quicker at teh min, bt intels are only quicker becasue AMD always bring out the better technology 1st n then Intel wrks on making it better afterwards

AMD is cheaper and easier to upgrade

AMD FTW

How does that hold true? Phenom is only just out, where Intel quads have been walking the market for ages.

AMD isn't particularly cheaper, and how is it easier to upgrade? If I wanted to go to Phenom I'd have to make sure my AM2 board was actually AM2+ compliant, whereas every Core2 board can run Core2Quad as well as Core2Duo.

 

[MikeyK18]

well i f my memory serves me correct AMD brought out the 1st 64Bit desktop processor, Intels desktop processors didnt go 64bit until ages afterwards

the Athlon 64 made the pentium 4 look like naff all squared wen it 1st came out!!!

the conversion is directed at desktop/laptop processors, not servers!!!!

 

[MikeyK18]

plus any motherboard i use is AM2+ compliant