Another Example of Poor Workmanship...

[Saner]

Wouldn't really call it an eye opener.

All this thread establishes is that this specialist is wary of some other unkown specialist.

Doesn't help members at all really. You would have to be pretty dense to be a members here and not already know bad things happen at some places.

 

[Budgie]

Wait a second, Chip. Isn't this exactly what you did in the Big Ash build thread?

Jumped all over something giving someone a bad name when there is no certainty as to what happened?

I don't think that's the best example really mate. That thread is a pretty open and shut case!

 

[Cooksport]

- Fine before the service
- Oil filter changed (oil was the same grade)
- Car was driven (a short number of miles)
- Oil pissing out
- Engine went bang



Im not saying your wrong, its a possibility, but I havent heard of many F4r Oil pump relief valves failing either.

 

[welshname]

Not really. Chip said it hadn't been done up properly, which in essence is a theory, as he wasn't there when TDF (think that was the trader in question), were building the engine as he; like he suggested to the OP, doesn't have a time machine either so can't be sure.

Not that I really care, I'm just pointing out that it's a little hypocritical and this thread should be kept on track.

- Trader showing another traders work to say "Look what happens when you go somewhere that isn't a proper specialist".
- Good for everyone to see as it makes you think twice about skimping on simple things like services when you own a RenaultSport.
- No traders were named
- No harm done to anyones reputation as no one knows who it was
- Might make the trader in question buck their ideas up

 

[Chip-mk1]

Wait a second, Chip. Isn't this exactly what you did in the Big Ash build thread?

Jumped all over something giving someone a bad name when there is no certainty as to what happened?

Various people put several theories of what might have happened and i said which one i felt most likely, but i also said it wasnt definitive without more evidence, when it was stripped this extra evidence came to light and supported what I said was likely to have happened.
I don't see how that's the same as starting a thread with a picture and no solid evidence and saying it was "another specialist" who therefore could be anyone and hence the only way to avoid them is go to cook sport who are here looking for business which I am not.

 

[Cooksport]

Various people put several theories of what might have happened and i said which one i felt most likely, but i also said it wasnt definitive without more evidence, when it was stripped this extra evidence came to light and supported what I said was likely to have happened.
I don't see how that's the same as starting a thread with a picture and no solid evidence and saying it was "another specialist" who therefore could be anyone and hence the only way to avoid them is go to cook sport who are here looking for business which I am not.

Exactly what I have done.

 

[Budgie]

Is the filter easily visible on Megane RS' or do you spin them on and do them up blind?

Either way, if that is a mistake in fitting, it's a big error..

 

[imprezaworks]

I wouldnt say their looking for business, well that's not how I see it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

- Fine before the service
- Oil filter changed (oil was the same grade)
- Car was driven (a short number of miles)
- Oil pissing out
- Engine went bang



Im not saying your wrong, its a possibility, but I havent heard of many F4r Oil pump relief valves failing either.

So it's a possibility an unamed trader may have made a mistake but we aren't sure they definitely did?
That's what we can learn from this thread?

I don't really see how that is massive useful to anyone tbh. Also am surprised the customer didnt take it back to give them a chance to rectify seeing as trading standards wont support the customer now they haven't done so.

 

[Cooksport]

Is the filter easily visible on Megane RS' or do you spin them on and do them up blind?

Either way, if that is a mistake in fitting, it's a big error..

Not easily visible mate.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Exactly what I have done.

No you didn't, you posted a picture and said it was bad workmanship, nothing more, until I started suggesting another plausible explanation you didn't even hint there might be any possibility other than it not tightened.

 

[The Boosh!]

People need to chill the f**k out here.

Cooksport have done nothing wrong publishing those photographs either.

 

[welshname]

Various people put several theories of what might have happened and i said which one i felt most likely, but i also said it wasnt definitive without more evidence, when it was stripped this extra evidence came to light and supported what I said was likely to have happened.
I don't see how that's the same as starting a thread with a picture and no solid evidence and saying it was "another specialist" who therefore could be anyone and hence the only way to avoid them is go to cook sport who are here looking for business which I am not.

He has stripped the sump and his conclusion is that he was correct. Exactly the same set of circumstances as yourself.

And it's not saying go to cooksport imho. It's saying go to somewhere reputable, a member in Scotland might see this and realise that it's not clever to skimp or go to somewhere that isn't well known and go to somewhere reputable instead, which is highly unlikely to be Cooksport due to the distance.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I wouldnt say their looking for business, well that's not how I see it.

We are fixing an engine messed up by another trader = don't trust others trust us

isn't exactly complex sales psychology tbh.

 

[Chip-mk1]

He has stripped the sump and his conclusion is that he was correct. Exactly the same set of circumstances as yourself.

Not true, you clearly don't understand the difference. They haven't found evidence to support the loose filter theory they simply haven't found any evidence to go against it.

And it's not saying go to cooksport imho. It's saying go to somewhere reputable, a member in Scotland might see this and realise that it's not clever to skimp or go to somewhere that isn't well known and go to somewhere reputable instead, which is highly unlikely to be Cooksport due to the distance.

This person didnt skimp, they took it to a well known trader apparently.

 

[Cooksport]

So it's a possibility an unamed trader may have made a mistake but we aren't sure they definitely did?
That's what we can learn from this thread?

I don't really see how that is massive useful to anyone tbh. Also am surprised the customer didnt take it back to give them a chance to rectify seeing as trading standards wont support the customer now they haven't done so.

We collected the car and had to carry out an engine swap, we had to diagnose this failure at which point we found this. I have already checked the oil pump.

If you had to put your money on something chip, what would it be?

 

[Stefan.]

i see every thread goes the same way.

cooksport that is your opinion

chip that is your opinion

now everyone calm down

 

[imprezaworks]

I get what your saying, I use birchdown allways will, in fact I'm going tomo. With the utmost respect I wouldn't bother my arse traipsing anywhere else

 

[The Fatty]

I think the point of this thread Chip is to show that even specialists get it wrong sometimes, and you should always check the work if possible. I normaly agree with your point of views, but im not to sure why you have beef with this one. Josh hasnt hurt anyones company as he hasnt named anyone or given anything away. I do agree (from my own experiences) that it would be bloody god damn hard to mess up putting on an oil filter, but it does happen and thats why we need to check if possible. My mom had here oil filter fall off on the way home after being replaced once, shocking really. also I dont see this as a marketing thread, im no more likely to get work done at Cooksport now than before, just that when I do have to get work done that I should check its done properly.

 

[Chip-mk1]

We collected the car and had to carry out an engine swap, we had to diagnose this failure at which point we found this. I have already checked the oil pump.

If you had to put your money on something chip, what would it be?

Well the last time I bet on the same thing I bet on the filter being loose even though I fitted it, and I was wrong that time, so I wouldn't want to bet either way tbh.

Sorry if that sounds a cop out of andwering but the filter only needs to be just hand tight to stay on so it seems pretty unlikely an established trader would get something so simple wrong but is possible, likewise car driving fine then someone works on it and it isn't fine soon after seems unlikely coincidence but also possible.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I think the point of this thread Chip is to show that even specialists get it wrong sometimes, and you should always check the work if possible. I normaly agree with your point of views, but im not to sure why you have beef with this one. Josh hasnt hurt anyones company as he hasnt named anyone or given anything away. I do agree (from my own experiences) that it would be bloody god damn hard to mess up putting on an oil filter, but it does happen and thats why we need to check if possible. My mom had here oil filter fall off on the way home after being replaced once, shocking really. also I dont see this as a marketing thread, im no more likely to get work done at Cooksport now than before, just that when I do have to get work done that I should check its done properly.

Sorry but you think what people can learn is that when they pay someone to change their filter they should then check themselves that its tight when the specialist gives it back to them?

I can't see many people doing that, especially on a clio or megane where it's pretty awkward to get to.

 

[Cooksport]

I was actually implying that the oil filter seal had come apart from the filter whilst it was being fitted (happens quite often on poor quality filters). If it is screwed on without being correctly seated, this could be the result. You can visually check this once you have fitted the filter.

I was by no means implying it had not been tightened correctly. (My mistake, should have been more clear)

 

[Chip-mk1]

Tbh if it hasn't been seated when fitted I would have expected the failure to happen even sooner, as given that the engine by definition would have had cold oil and hence seen 80+ psi of pressure before it even got off the traders premises, so the customer should have been smelling a problem within a few hundred yards with all that oil coming out so again I'm amazed they didn't go straight back to the trader in question.
Its another possible theory though.

 

[The Fatty]

Sorry but you think what people can learn is that when they pay someone to change their filter they should then check themselves that its tight when the specialist gives it back to them?

I can't see many people doing that, especially on a clio or megane where it's pretty awkward to get to.

I always sight check what I can. Also if I was getting my oil changed at a garage, I would be checking the levels before my second journey, in fact I even do this when I do the job myself.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I always sight check what I can. Also if I was getting my oil changed at a garage, I would be checking the levels before my second journey, in fact I even do this when I do the job myself.

well we certainly all agree its better to be too paranoid than not paranoid enough with these French cars I'm sure

 

[The Boosh!]

This thread isn't going anywhere good. On that basis i'm locking it. Please don't PM me because i'll ignore it. Brian won't ignore it though, so pm him.