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another tracking question



imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
After numerous attempts of getting the tracking done its still not a hundred percent right. I'm a hundred percent sure that the passanger front wheel points in more towards the engine. I am going to take it too birchdown hopefully next week but thought I'd ask you guys first. It's lowered on fk konigsport coilovers btw. Any thoughts? They are camber adjustable
 

Struggler

ClioSport Club Member
  Ph1 track 172
what makes you so certain its out??

if its been set up by a good place, theyll give you to print out of the geometry to show!
 
  182
After numerous attempts of getting the tracking done its still not a hundred percent right. I'm a hundred percent sure that the passanger front wheel points in more towards the engine. I am going to take it too birchdown hopefully next week but thought I'd ask you guys first. It's lowered on fk konigsport coilovers btw. Any thoughts? They are camber adjustable

My thoughts.... have a go setting it yourself.

Its not as big a deal to DIY it than is often made out. I used my days off this xmas to adjust camber and toe to find what worked best for me on damp winter roads and each time I went out to road test the steering was 100% dead centred, so my method is accurate enough for me.
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
You want to do mine lol. The car stills pulls to the left and when you look at the wheel there is a definate difference.
 
  182
If you have level ground its easy. I'll probably get flamed by some of you guys on here, but here goes....

Tools:
Tape measure.
Steel straight edges x 2 (such as 24 inch steel rules)
Elastic bands
laser level (doesnt have to be a known accuracy, just repeatable, mine was 20 quid)

Basics of toe measuring:
Center steering wheel in car.

You use the elastic bands looped around the wheel spokes to hold these steel rules in place fairly tightly. You need to get the rule quite low on the wheel (about 3 inches up). This is so you can run the tape measure under the car. If you have large rim protectors on tyres and they are the same type then you will be plenty accurate. If you are not sure, you could always use something like 4 nuts to space the rule out from the rim, but IMO totally unnecessary for the level of accuracy we all need.

Before you measure the total to you need to ensure that each side is equal. I do this by using the laser level held in a similar way to (but instead of) the steel rules to point a mark toward the rear. It works for me to aim at the ground beside the rear tyre, comparing both sides. It is easy to see if things are straight, and can be measured if needed (but 1 or 2 mm accuracy over that distance is plenty).

To meaure total toe it helps if you have a helper but basically you can pull the tape between the rules to measure the distances, measure once at front and then the back. Pull firm enough to take up slack in the tape but if you pull too hard it can be too much for the elastic bands to hold the rules, obviously. The distance between the front and back (the place on the rule you take measurements from) will most likely be very similar to the wheel diameter, but you can apply simple maths to adjust to suit if you feel the need, although I don't for the level of accuracy needed.

Adjust track rods to alter as desired then re-do the same checks.

It sounds pikey but, believe me, it works fine! I've checked brand new lease vehicles against factory specs and my method has not been less than 0.5mm wrong.


Basics of Camber:
This is not intended to give specific measurement but more to check if things are equal. You can use the rules but on the vertical plane to measure camber with a spirit level. I use the rear as a reference and compare both sides against each other and to that of the rear wheels (which are approx. just a little over 1 deg negative as standard). The main thing to check is that it is the same from side to side.

Altering camber with bolts has a big effect on toe. Adding negative camber gives positive toe, and vice versa. (I have eibach bolts on standard struts). So any changes to this will need you to start from beginning with toe.


One last thing...
Sometimes the steering wheel may have been removed and put back on at a different angle. To check this turn from full locks to see that the steering wheel moves equal amounts both ways.
 
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  Clio 182 FF cup'd
Birchdown dont do tracking, best place to take it is demon tweeks. They charge about £50 for laser tracking and you'll get a print out before and after... Plus if you've never been to demon tweeks, its definatly worth a trip just for the shop! :p
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Yeah i know they dont mate but i trust them to tell me if anything is a miss. Such a shame they dont do tracking though. I'm not a huge fan of Demon Tweeks tbh
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Is your steering wheel central when you drive up the road in a straight line?

Is the steering wheel mounted centrally on the rack (sit car in neutral, turn it all the way one way, then turn it all the way the other, and the midpoint should be with the wheel straight)
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
If i put it central and let go it veers to the left, its as though its light on one side. Havent checked the second thing if im honest.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
I'm not asking where it pulls if you let go, im asking if when you hold the wheel straight the car goes straight or not.

And definately check the second thing.
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Get ya. Yeah im sure it does go in a straight line, i think. And if it doesnt? Dont mean to come accross daft its just i dont do many miles so it doesnt allways annoy me, if that makes any sense
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
In fact the more i think about it no it doesnt, have to turn it to the right slightly
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Check if the wheel is central on the rack then, as per what I said above about going all the way one way and all the way the other.

Pointless messing around with your tracking if the rack isnt aligned with the wheel in the first place.
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
So basically turn the wheel and count the number of turns? Will check in the next ten and come back too you, if you dont mind?
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Put it in the middle, count the number of turns one way, then the number the other.

Wont be a whole number of turns, so you need to note the fraction of a turn too, so if it ends up at 3 o'clock one way it should end up at 9 o'clock the other if that makes sense?
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Righty. Steering wheel central= 1 complete turn and a little bit more and ends up at in the 9.30 and half 3 position. Turn the wheel to the left again 1 full turn but def feels more resistant and ends up at 10 and 4. Ive got an aftermarket wheel on it btw.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Whoever fitted the aftermarket wheel hasnt put in on straight by a spline or too then by the sounds of it.

Worth getting it off and back on in the middle before you start messing around so at least you have the same amount of lock in both directions.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Nope, there is a spline where the boss fits onto the steering column can be misaligned.

Also if anyone has had the subframe off, you can mislocate the column into the rack when it goes back in, so if the wheel was right before it came apart it can be wrong when it goes back together.

Wont be the cause of your problem by the way, but worth getting right before you start having the steering mess around with cause otherwise it will always be wrong so you'll have more lock one way than the other.
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Cheers. Easy enough to do? A mixture of being impatient, not really knowing what im doing and lack of spare time will no doubt be a problem lol
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Turn the steering till the centre point of the rack (at which point the wheel wont quite be straight on your car currently)

Remove the wheel

Turn wheel so it is straight

Refit the wheel



Then when you drive up the road the steering wheel will now be on the piss.
To centralise it just keep adding one turn inwards to one side and outwards to the other side on the trackrod end.
If you always add a full turn one side and take it off the other, it will mean the tracking is uneffected.
 


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