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Audi A3 vs Clio



  133/225/CLS AMG


Does anyone have any pics/videos of a Clio racing an Audi 3 preferably the 1.8T???

Some guy at work still doesnt reckon my Mk2 172 would be quicker than his 150bhp A3 so I want proof. ;)
 


They weigh as much as 5 172s, and have less power. How could it possibly beat you? Hate people like that, see the Audi badge and think its the fastest thing on the road!!
 

Cookie

ClioSport Club Member


Quote: Originally posted by AlexJMills on 15 March 2005
Does anyone have any pics/videos of a Clio racing an Audi 3 preferably the 1.8T???Some guy at work still doesnt reckon my Mk2 172 would be quicker than his 150bhp A3 so I want proof. ;)

Just find an A road and show the tart whos boss :D
 
  133/225/CLS AMG


I know and I think deep down he knows but hes a snob and reckons its the best thing ever. Im sure he does it wind me up a bit but I dont think hed hack actually knowing that my car is quicker haha.

Personally I wouldnt buy a rebadged Golf that just costs more :D
 


clio 172

0-100 kph / 0-62 mph: 6.8 secs
Maximum speed: 138 mph / 220 kph

a3 1.8t

0-62mph sprint in 7.5 seconds (1.8 T Sport 8.1 seconds) and cruising unrestricted Autobahn at 140mph (1.8 T Sport 135mph).

Hope this helps
 


That is a joke! i had a mate who fancied his Saxo VTR over my Cup....now that was funny!

Take him to Santa Pod and race him for pink slips! Then sell it and mod your car!
 
  tiTTy & SV650


my argument would be dead simple: your car weighs ____ kg and has 150BHP which makes it _ _ _ bhp / ton, my car weighs blah blah...

then piss all over him, theres no standard VAG 1.8 T car a 172 / 182 wouldnt piss all over, inc the 225bhp variants
 
  tiTTy & SV650


well i had a good old slog with an s3 on a private road of course, theyre quick - but this guy wasnt a good driver. Theyre 1400Kg with 225bhp, more torque there too.
 
  133/225/CLS AMG


Im sure the S3 is gonna be a fast car but the 1.8T just doesnt compare.

As said its all down to power to weight and the A3 is more weight but less power, obvious really.
 
  tiTTy & SV650


Quote: Originally posted by AlexJMills on 15 March 2005


Im sure the S3 is gonna be a fast car but the 1.8T just doesnt compare.

As said its all down to power to weight and the A3 is more weight but less power, obvious really.
yeah sorry, i led the topic astray, 150bhp GT TDI would be a closer match when you get going!

a 1.8T generating 150bhp is pityful really.
 
  Clio 182


172:
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 170
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1110
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 155.61
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.96
0 - 100 (Secs) : 18.52
60 - 100 (Secs) : 11.57
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.39
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 91.14
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.19
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 92.73

A3:
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 150
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1175
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 129.71
0 - 60 (Secs) : 8.14
0 - 100 (Secs) : 23.22
60 - 100 (Secs) : 15.07
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 16.59
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 84.54
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 16.39
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 85.97

Tell him to shut up, By 100 hell be a spec in your mirror, its as slow as a standard valver ffs!
 
  BMW 120i Sport


My mate has an A3 1.8T.

Its got very nice and even power delivery, better power low down than my 182 but its running out of puff at 6000 rpm. Its not a slouch, but its not that fast either. It feels heavy and it rolls a lot amount in corners and on roundabouts.

Its more of a quiet motorway cruiser than anything.

Be wary - there are chip options to 180 bhp from Superchips, so that might give you a bit of a "woah, thats not as slow as i thought" moment as you accelerate alongside it ;).

The brakes are fcking excellent on it though, and its very well screwed together with a nice solid interior. Nice and quiet.

Edit: the torque figure is 210 Nm at 1750 rpm for the 1.8T, so that explains the better power/pull lower down than my 182.

[Edited by Big G on 3/15/2005 9:59:24 PM]
 
  tiTTy & SV650


theyre a different class of car, wouldnt dispute that. Audi you expect quality, Renault you dont... ;)

im sure you could easily mod it upto 225brake+

guy i went to uni withs brother had a mk2 golf gti running a 1.8T @ 280BHP
 


My brother has a new A3 sportback 2.0T quattro and thats pretty much as fast as 172 or 182 so dont worry...your faster :D
 
  133/225/CLS AMG


I wouldnt really expect to compare build quality, quietness etc with the Audi considering there is a quite a price difference.

I dont actually think the 172/182s cruise that comfortably on the motorway as feek like they need a 6th gear. My mums 1.6 Focus actually cruises better around 85-90mph than my Clio. ;)
 


Quote: Originally posted by beacytan on 15 March 2005

i think s3 would leather a cup. IMO
Whilst ultimatly i would prefer an s3 to a cup, both have 0-100 of around 17 secs or just below. One has 4wd launch advantage to achieve this so one will be marginally fatser once rolling.

Which ones which you decide!!!
 
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rich[182]



No chance mate

My wifes company car was a 51 reg A3 1.8T 150bhp when I first got my new 172, I used to think it was fast until for a laugh we had a grapple, Shed had it 3 years so knew the car inside out and knew how to give it some through the gears, Even when I had 3k on the clock (was a year ago) the A3 might as well have been in reverse, She couldnt believe how easily I pulled on her

Surprised myself actually

The guy at work is talking out of an a**s wider than the grand canyon. Simple as.

ps re. the S3 - Forget what paper stats are, in reality and in standard form they arent all that either IMO, in fact opinion based on having driven one a number of times, not just a one-off test drive


[Edited by rich172 on 16 March 2005 at 12:17pm]
 
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rich[182]



Quote: Originally posted by $torm Rider on 16 March 2005

^ So you reckon a 172 could have an S3 on a long stretch?
No, In fact I dont think a full fat 172 would have an S3 in any scenario, All Im saying is that the S3 in std form is not all that v 172, through the gears from a rolling start ive held my own, however on a long straight and silly speeds an S3 would easily pull away IMO

now a 172 cup or 182 cup v S3 on the twisties...........mmm interesting as the S3 has a shed load of weight to throw arround
 
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peterh2



I would be careful never underestimate a turbo. My housemate has a 54 plate audi a3 2.0 tdi s-line DSG and once rolling (on a private track) both side by site at 50 he would initially gain a couple of car lengths, took me till after 100 to get back level with it and thats a deisel!
 
  Clio 200 Cup packed


im not suprised, the torque figure is scandalous!!!


taken from whatcar.com





Max power (bhp/rpm)

138/4000

Max torque (lb ft/rpm)
236/1750

Manufacturers figures




0-60mph (sec)

9.5

Max speed (mph)

129
What Car? test figures




30-70mph

9.9

30-50mph in 3rd/4th/5th gears

3.7/5.3/10

50-70mph in 3rd/4th/5th gears

5.5/5.7/6.9


[Edited by homerjay on 16 March 2005 at 2:03pm]
 
  Clio 197


I had one...

No way would it touch a 172/182 in acceleration.

The tubo was great for overtaking on the motorway, altough there was a wee bit of lag.

Still, she was a beauty, and I miss her.:(
 


Indeed turbos are good for instant acceleration once they have spooled up, but by the time thay have spooled up, all that extra acceleration is used to catch the N/A car up.
 
  Golf V6 4Motion


joker! u beat these 1.8T engines with valvers stock to stock easily - let alone a 172! haha - funniest thing is that a golf GTtdi would beat the 1.8T as well.
 
  MKIII 138


Quote: Originally posted by homerjay on 16 March 2005


im not suprised, the torque figure is scandalous!!!


taken from whatcar.com





Max power (bhp/rpm)

138/4000

Max torque (lb ft/rpm)
236/1750

Manufacturers figures




0-60mph (sec)

9.5

Max speed (mph)

129
What Car? test figures




30-70mph

9.9

30-50mph in 3rd/4th/5th gears

3.7/5.3/10

50-70mph in 3rd/4th/5th gears

5.5/5.7/6.9



[Edited by homerjay on 16 March 2005 at 2:03pm]




182cup 30-70 = 5.4

ive found high torque diesels still dont beat lightweight car like the 172. once again.. my bro has 320lbft from a 1320kg car and its exactly even to my 172 (sure i have slightly lighter wheels and a panel filter but big deal) it also has 195hp at best and its exaclty the same upto 120 we wouldnt go faster than that for safety, maybe he would have 1-2 car lenghs if that. and that a diesel.

also i hate this thing "4wd so amazing of the line performance" well in some circumstances yes i mean a 220hp (225ps) wrx impreza weiging a massive 1400kgs + , with 4wd transmission loss can still do a 5.7-5.8 to 60mph very quick all the power going to the road. but that has cleaver diffs on each axel and the A3 or S3 dont. there also not geared for 0-60 there geared for flexible motorway driving and they are even heavier than a wrx.

0-60 is cack who does this, its been said time and time again. a 182 has been tested at 6.3 to 60 so imagine if it had cleaver diffs and 4wd ? it would be pushing 5.5 or better its all about traction to 60 and even then a ham fisted driver will lose out that 0.5 sec advantage on a 5.5-5.7 second car and be almost level with a 182cup (theorecticaly a 6.0 to 60)

i have kept up with a wrx estate to !25 mph for 30mph both absolutley flooring and i think i was gaining advantage at 120 (once again i slowed down at that point as it was daft speed). I have also found the s3 to be slower than a wrx. i have driven both.

every car i have driven with a turbo creates a margin on the car behind but as soon as you change and wait to spool the turbo even if its only hundreths of a second over 4 gear changes that can make a 1sec difference often its more.

0-100 where its at and ive had a proven 17.56 out of my 172MKII.

150 hp dont think so.
 
  Elise/VX220/R26


my m8 has a 1.8t a3 with a 3 stage chip on it, in the sport mode (180 bhp) I can monster him in the 172, but A3s arent really designed for racing hot hatches in are they?
 
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peterh2



There not designed for it but I really do have difficulty shifting this 2.0 TDI from my back bumper its a lot more rapid than you would expect. The DSG gearbox no doubt helps as well. Also im not sure the figures you have there are correct im sure the new 2.0 tdi DSG is supposed to be good for 139 and 0-60 in ~ 8 secs.
 
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rich[182]



peterh2
you are right re. the new shape A3 2.0TDI, once rolling the throttle response,pickup and in gear times are rapid, very very underated car IMHO
the torque delivery is awesome, 2nd gear is rapid but the pull from low revs in 3rd and particularly 4th is amazing, they will catch out many a car if your not on your game
 


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