Does anyone have any pics/videos of a Clio racing an Audi 3 preferably the 1.8T???
Some guy at work still doesnt reckon my Mk2 172 would be quicker than his 150bhp A3 so I want proof.
yeah sorry, i led the topic astray, 150bhp GT TDI would be a closer match when you get going!Quote: Originally posted by AlexJMills on 15 March 2005
Im sure the S3 is gonna be a fast car but the 1.8T just doesnt compare.
As said its all down to power to weight and the A3 is more weight but less power, obvious really.
Whilst ultimatly i would prefer an s3 to a cup, both have 0-100 of around 17 secs or just below. One has 4wd launch advantage to achieve this so one will be marginally fatser once rolling.Quote: Originally posted by beacytan on 15 March 2005
i think s3 would leather a cup. IMO
No, In fact I dont think a full fat 172 would have an S3 in any scenario, All Im saying is that the S3 in std form is not all that v 172, through the gears from a rolling start ive held my own, however on a long straight and silly speeds an S3 would easily pull away IMOQuote: Originally posted by $torm Rider on 16 March 2005
^ So you reckon a 172 could have an S3 on a long stretch?
Quote: Originally posted by homerjay on 16 March 2005
im not suprised, the torque figure is scandalous!!!
taken from whatcar.com
Max power (bhp/rpm)
Max torque (lb ft/rpm)
Max speed (mph)
What Car? test figures
30-50mph in 3rd/4th/5th gears
50-70mph in 3rd/4th/5th gears
[Edited by homerjay on 16 March 2005 at 2:03pm]
182cup 30-70 = 5.4
ive found high torque diesels still dont beat lightweight car like the 172. once again.. my bro has 320lbft from a 1320kg car and its exactly even to my 172 (sure i have slightly lighter wheels and a panel filter but big deal) it also has 195hp at best and its exaclty the same upto 120 we wouldnt go faster than that for safety, maybe he would have 1-2 car lenghs if that. and that a diesel.
also i hate this thing "4wd so amazing of the line performance" well in some circumstances yes i mean a 220hp (225ps) wrx impreza weiging a massive 1400kgs + , with 4wd transmission loss can still do a 5.7-5.8 to 60mph very quick all the power going to the road. but that has cleaver diffs on each axel and the A3 or S3 dont. there also not geared for 0-60 there geared for flexible motorway driving and they are even heavier than a wrx.
0-60 is cack who does this, its been said time and time again. a 182 has been tested at 6.3 to 60 so imagine if it had cleaver diffs and 4wd ? it would be pushing 5.5 or better its all about traction to 60 and even then a ham fisted driver will lose out that 0.5 sec advantage on a 5.5-5.7 second car and be almost level with a 182cup (theorecticaly a 6.0 to 60)
i have kept up with a wrx estate to !25 mph for 30mph both absolutley flooring and i think i was gaining advantage at 120 (once again i slowed down at that point as it was daft speed). I have also found the s3 to be slower than a wrx. i have driven both.
every car i have driven with a turbo creates a margin on the car behind but as soon as you change and wait to spool the turbo even if its only hundreths of a second over 4 gear changes that can make a 1sec difference often its more.
0-100 where its at and ive had a proven 17.56 out of my 172MKII.
150 hp dont think so.