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ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
To be fair, it's not far off the 172 cup spec. No air con, no leather, no keyless entry etc. Losing ABS is hardly gonna knock much weight off. I see it more as the starting spec 197. If you let other models in the range have the cup suspension, it's gonna take some shine off the cup model.
It wasn't the abs I primarily meant. Even though the curtain airbags have been ditched they'll still be countless others, and other rubbish safety devices. Overall the damn thing is just too heavy.
I'd get a 197 with all the trimmings. If I was buying a car though I think I'd have to drive the Corsa VXR as well though.
I'd get a 197 with all the trimmings. If I was buying a car though I think I'd have to drive the Corsa VXR as well though.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Agreed, too heavy for a hot hatch. Was looking for a new car recently, but not a single new hot hatch appeals. If I had to buy one, it would be an R27, but it just doesn't excite me enough. When the 182 came out, I had to have one, not a single hot hatch does that for me now.
The 172 Cup was one of the last cars made before all the major manufacturers signed an agreement that ABS would be standard on all cars (only TVR ignored the memo!), so ditching that simply isn't an option.
They have no spare wheel to ditch so that's a huge chunk of weight that they can't save over the standard 197...and I'm pretty sure Renault wouldn't touch anything remotely involving safety either, as they seem pretty extreme with their 5* policy now.
I guess they could have gone to town on sound-deadening, thinner (but still tough) glass and a few other bits, but I imagine they originally had a battle on their hands to keep the 197 weight down, so I assume there was never too much excessive weight on the original to begin with.
MK1 V6 Lutecia / 197
The Aircon weighs 20kg. Thats it. Thats the cups weight saving....
Buy a white FF 197 with Recaros and xenons, ditch the aircon , add white rims, get all the extras and throw in the cup suspension at £450 all for £14950....and you have a much better car than the cup.
The Cup is pointless now that they are offering the white on the 197 and cup suspension....
Cup should have been called 197 Basic...
Buy a white FF 197 with Recaros and xenons, ditch the aircon , add white rims, get all the extras and throw in the cup suspension at £450 all for £14950....and you have a much better car than the cup.
The Cup is pointless now that they are offering the white on the 197 and cup suspension....
Cup should have been called 197 Basic...
Yeah, and you've just spent £2k more than I have on the Cup(white, aircon and recaros). The Cup is a cheaper 197 so how can it be pointless?
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200 cup (van blanc)
my cup is ace I love it!
pointless? mmmmmmmmmmm.....dont think so
gets me from A to B
remember folks its down to personal choice, the cup is the right car for some people not for others
bottom line is its still a 197, and tbh i am loving the driving experience, now done 700m and the engine is a cracker, and it handles like a dream!
pointless? mmmmmmmmmmm.....dont think so
gets me from A to B
remember folks its down to personal choice, the cup is the right car for some people not for others
bottom line is its still a 197, and tbh i am loving the driving experience, now done 700m and the engine is a cracker, and it handles like a dream!
But weight saving on it was never going to be much abs weight s abit but they cannot remove it with the EU laws in place.
How is paying extra money for a few other bits and pieces which some people don't even care about make somehting a better car?
The cup is a great idea its a cheap hot hatch.
You could actually turn around the criticism of the Cup and say that the FF 197 is pointless when you can get exactly the same experience for considerably less money.
As for the weight saving, everyone likes to go on about how it's not enough etc etc. yet no one can actually come up with way of saving more weight, and that's because to save more weight the car would be severely compromised as a road car. At the very least safety would be reduced, and that's never going to happen.
While I'm going....Renault provides two 197s, and there will be the 3rd Lux model. That's great, it offers choice, you pick what suits what you want from a car and what you want to pay for a car. How many Porsche 911 variants are there? The GT3 RS is widely acknowledged as the best of breed so why bother making the rest of the range? Choice. Different people want different things from their car.
As for the weight saving, everyone likes to go on about how it's not enough etc etc. yet no one can actually come up with way of saving more weight, and that's because to save more weight the car would be severely compromised as a road car. At the very least safety would be reduced, and that's never going to happen.
While I'm going....Renault provides two 197s, and there will be the 3rd Lux model. That's great, it offers choice, you pick what suits what you want from a car and what you want to pay for a car. How many Porsche 911 variants are there? The GT3 RS is widely acknowledged as the best of breed so why bother making the rest of the range? Choice. Different people want different things from their car.
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200 cup (van blanc)
brilliant - u will love it!
get some pics up asap
good luck!
we should start our own forum ' we love 197 cups and screw you if you dont!'
get some pics up asap
good luck!
we should start our own forum ' we love 197 cups and screw you if you dont!'
Meg 250/E36 Touring
I agree with the Autocar review.
The Cup chassis is superb, as are the Recaros and the gear ratios are now spot-on....
..After 500 miles the MPG is settling around 28 MPG, which seems to be an improvement over my old R27 @ the same mileage...
Just looking forwards to a fully run in blat when the weather warms up!
The Cup chassis is superb, as are the Recaros and the gear ratios are now spot-on....
..After 500 miles the MPG is settling around 28 MPG, which seems to be an improvement over my old R27 @ the same mileage...
Just looking forwards to a fully run in blat when the weather warms up!
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
megane 285 sport
ive had my 197 a few weeks now, the fuel ecomony isnt that bad, it was bad the first week i had it, but its getting better evry week.
