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block exemption....





apoligies if youve read this at the end of another long thread...

After picking up my motor on saturday, I spoke to the broker about servicing costs etc.. stating what I had read on the forum earlier in the week about the block exemption finishing... he said that as far as he was aware ot was february. and advised any one who took their cars elseware before then to get written confirmation from reno that their warrenties woould not be invalidated!! bit of confusion on the go. everyone be carefull!!!!!
 


That would be illegal.....dealer just trying to protect his business. Its aritcle 81 or 82, i forget....have a read yourself.........you can actually have your car serviced anywhere and your warranty still be valid so long as you maintian the service record, use renault approved parts and the garage is VAT registered.
 
  Volvo S60 T5


Block exemption means that you can take your car to any garage and have it serviced with genuine parts or similar after market parts and as long as your service book is stamped and you keep the vat invoice your warranty will still be valid, It also means that anyone can set up a Renault dealer as long as they meet the criteria required by Renault.

Its a bit worrying for the dealers as they stand to lose a lot of money to independant garages. But I think independants will struggle to fix the cars properly as the amount of technical info you need to know to fix any said Renault car and the diagnostic equipment will just cost way to much for a small garage to warrant purchasing. A little example how many people know that most Renault engines dont have keyways on the crank or cams and no timing marks.

This is how it stands from my point being a Renault Technician, The dealer has to make sure the quality of work and value for money is much better that any other garage in the area.
 
  Revels Mum & Sister


I hear what your saying Mike! But that is not allways the case! Lot of Renaut dealerships quality of service is not up to standard. Even though I would imagine as you have said equipment and resources are there for you.

About 6 months ago I had the engine replaced in my Valver. renault wanted £1300 for the Job. I bought the engine had it fitted with a new clutch, cambelt etc for £890 inc Engine. Another friend had a engine replaced in a 19 16V and has had nothing but problems due to the fitting of it. Bits not tightened etc. In 6 months I have had nothing go wrong.

Think its the prices that put people off. I for one if it was cheaper would go to renault as they offer warrantys on work I beleive???? But they arent cheap enough!!
 
  Volvo S60 T5


The dealership where I work offer a one year warranty on parts and labour for any job done.

The quality of work and service will go up a lot over the next year with the dealers it has to, Renault do a lot of random calls to customers from dealerships to see if they where happy with the service,costs, and quality of work, on average around 50 calls are made a month, if the dealer gets a bad review from the customers then the dealership suffers financially.

On a whole I would say that where I work the quality of work is generally very good, but the odd mistake does happen but this is usually due to the high volume of cars that we see and not enough hours in the day, at the end of the day we are all human.

As to costs of labour Renault set the labour times which must be followed and say you are paying £50.00 an hour think of all the overheads and such which in any garage are a lot, I think that most people get good value for the expertise and service and warranty offered.

:)
 

GR7

  Shiny red R32


Quote: Originally posted by admob on 09 October 2003

apoligies if youve read this at the end of another long thread...

After picking up my motor on saturday, I spoke to the broker about servicing costs etc.. stating what I had read on the forum earlier in the week about the block exemption finishing... he said that as far as he was aware ot was february. and advised any one who took their cars elseware before then to get written confirmation from reno that their warrenties woould not be invalidated!! bit of confusion on the go. everyone be carefull!!!!!
Definitely began on October 1st 2003
 

GR7

  Shiny red R32


Nationwide Autocentre welcomes changes to servicing rules


Nationwide Autocentre says it welcomes the improvements to Block Exemption which will allow new car owners to have their vehicles serviced by an independent garage without affecting the warranty.

Until now, under strict EU guidelines, it has been necessary for all new cars to be serviced through the manufacturers dealer while under warranty. However, car owners are now free to opt for the services of an independent garage as the tie-in between car dealers and after-sales service is set aside.

Nationwide Autocentres Managing Director, Tom Dunn said, This is a massive step forward for the motor industry and a real turning point for independent garages such as Nationwide Autocentres. Its good news all round, particularly for consumers who will reap the financial benefits of greater freedom of choice without compromising the quality of work on offer.

It will take some time for the changes to come about because customers have to change behaviour. What we want to do is educate people and let them know that they have a choice.
 

GR7

  Shiny red R32


Jason Dawes of the Sunday Times (September issue) asks ”Are drivers being held to ransom by the warranty system?”









Car servicing seems to be one of those areas of commerce, like plumbing and wedding catering, where the normal rules of economics cease to apply. In the worst cases costs change arbitrarily, labour rates exceed your own salary by a factor of 10, and the price the customer pays for raw materials loses any relation to their real value.

But things are about to change on 1st October. The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) has launched an investigation into the car warranty system to see if drivers are being ripped off by what might effectively be a cartel operation. The current status quo is well understood and accepted with resignation by most drivers. Fortunately, new cars typically come with a three-year warranty, covering the cost of labour and parts required to repair defects that come to light.

Manufacturers sometimes say that servicing outside their network is allowed and will not affect the warranty, provided it is carried out to an “equivalent standard”. But if, when something later goes wrong, a main dealer judges that the work was substandard, the warranty could be invalidated. The risks of leaving the franchised fold are therefore quite significant.

The OFT’s wide-ranging study will look at all aspects of the warranty system, but crucially it will assess the system’s impact on drivers — in other words whether competition is being stifled and prices hiked. A negative verdict from the OFT could lead to manufacturers being referred to the Competition Commission.

Last week we conducted our own survey and found that evidence of a significant price gulf between franchised and independent garages was immediately apparent and impossible to ignore. Franchised dealers were charging up to 74% more on average than independent garages in the same area to carry out the same service.

Researchers called three franchised and three independent garages to ask for servicing quotes for each of five different cars. In each case they used industry reference books to check that the service being quoted by the independent garage would include exactly the same checks as those made by the main dealer. For four of the five cars at least one franchised dealer quoted prices double those of the independent garage.

Sytner BMW in Romford, Essex, quoted £610 for a full service (known as “inspection 2” in BMW circles) of an M5 registered in 2000. Not far away, in Chelmsford, the independent BMW specialist MRR quoted £300 for the same service (although it suggested we should stick to a main dealer to protect our warranty, which from 1 October will change). Renault Stockport quoted £370 for a 36,000-mile full service of an Espace V6, while the local independent, Riverside, asked for £170.

A 42,000-mile service of a Saab 95 SE turbo automatic was priced at £307 by a franchised dealer in Tunbridge Wells, and £140 by an independent in Hailsham..

Of course the main dealerships are likely to have higher overheads because they have plusher buildings in better locations. And a main dealer may well have greater obligations in some areas, for instance to keep spares in stock for old models, even if there is no profit in it. Car makers also invest more heavily in staff training. And the coffee may be better. But while the higher charges may be understandable, they still mean drivers whose warranties lock them into a franchised dealer network are being sentenced to paying much more.

There is also growing concern that as new-car prices are driven to record lows, dealerships are looking to servicing to soften the blow. Earlier this year a survey of hourly main-dealer labour rates found they had increased by an average of 44% over the past five years. The survey, by Warranty Direct, a company that insures against breakdowns, found a BMW dealer had the highest hourly rate, of £115 including VAT.

“It’s ironic that labour rates have soared as new-car prices tumble,” says Duncan McClure-Fisher, the firm’s managing director. “The odds are clearly stacked against the consumer and in favour of the franchised dealer network.”

When the air-conditioning failed on his Mercedes E300, Jim Scott, a marketing consultant from Bradwell, Derbyshire, took his car to a main dealer who quoted £1,300 plus Vat to fix it. A local independent later solved the problem for £106. With that experience, would he allow the independent to service his new cars in future? “I think that if I had a warranty I’d be worried about breaking its terms because of the subsequent costs,” he says.

SERVICE PRICES OBTAINED BY RESEARCHERS FOR COMPARISON

BMW M5 - Major Service – Ind. - £300 Dealer - £610

Saab 95 Turbo – 42,000 mile – Ind. - £140 Dealer - £307

Merc E320 – Major Service – Ind. - £223 Dealer - £360

L. Rover Discovery – 48,000 – Ind. - £335 Dealer - £501

Espace V6 Auto – 36,000 – Ind. £170 Dealer - £370

In each case prices are an average of three independent and three franchised dealers. All prices include labour, parts and VAT
 


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