Brake pads for track day

[mikeh]

Looking for value here really. I don't mind spending money on decent pads, but I won't spend ridiculous money for pads that are just a little better.

Gut feel seems to be DS2500 with a co-efficient of .42 or the DS3000 at 0.54.

The cheapest I've found is £130 and £160 respectively. Is there anything else comparable that is a bit cheaper?

 

[Kam.]

If you are using your car on the road as well then DS2500.

 

[Fred@BTM]

The cheapest I've found is £130 and £160 respectively. Is there anything else comparable that is a bit cheaper?

We're £125 and £145 DELIVERED

 

[mikeh]

How are they likely to hold up on track? I think the co-efficient is just about acceptable, it's just whether they can keep it up I guess.

 

[mikeh]

We're £125 and £145 DELIVERED

That sounds great. Fancy doing me a deal with the other stuff you're quoting me on?

This leaves the DS3000s sounding more appealing - are they atrocious cold though?

 

[Fred@BTM]

more advanced drivers (and utter crap drivers!!!) can get fade from 2500's, you'd be doing well to cook 3000's!

 

[mikeh]

Ok, how is either pad when cold though?

The only other thing my car really gets used for is the 3 mile trip to work and back each day. Can they really be much worse than OEM pads when compared cold/cold?

 

[Fred@BTM]

both fine when cold, you won't have a problem

 

[Chip-mk1]

Pagid blues are another good option.

If its mainly a road car and just the occasional trackday the 2500 are a really good choice IMHO, on a 172 generally you have not a lot of straight line pace but great corner speed, so the brakes dont really get a hard time on most tracks compared to heavier faster cars that dont corner as well.

 

[imprezaworks]

My ds2500 are spot on, been on the car since I've owned it, over twelve months and done two trackdays on them

 

[Jamesstone]

Pagid Blue for me all day long, Jack from MWM fitted a set to his turbo 172, Superb power, no fade at speedo reading of 140+ mph at bedford Circuit, Ace cold bite & best of all no squeal! £200 for a front set though

 

[markfishy]

Most of trackday braking issues are heat build up. Ie brands hatch indy circuit , three hard, one medium,and one light brake in the space of one mile. This from 100mph etc. This doesnt happen on public roads. (maybe mountain downhill switch backs?)
If you could get rid of all the extra heat standard pads would work reasonably well. So it comes down to friction levels and pedal feel and resistance to excessive heat.
Higher friction will give the driver confidence(just when you need it) the abs systems cope with this quite well, ocasional hiccup.
lock up can be more tricky if no abs when friction is above say 0.5.
My suggestion for what your going to do is the ds2500, we fit a lot of these.
give me a call for costs, regards mark
01279 431628

 

[Fletcher]

I run DS3000 pads all the time, without any problems.

 

[mikeh]

I'm starting to lean toward the DS2500 to be honest, whilst I can probably deal with the DS3000 every day, I think for short 60 second autotests, a pad that gets going quicker is going to be more beneficial to me.

 

[Nick172Cup]

Carbon Lorraine's, be it RC5+'s or RC6's. Cheaper than most other brands but unbelievable stopping power, only downside is dust.

 

[mikeh]

They don't seem to be any cheaper than the DS2500, and I've seen the kind of "dust" these chuck out.

 

[Fletcher]

I'm starting to lean toward the DS2500 to be honest, whilst I can probably deal with the DS3000 every day, I think for short 60 second autotests, a pad that gets going quicker is going to be more beneficial to me.

I've had no problems with my DS3000 from cold TBH.

 

[Space Cadet]

Carbon Lorraine's, be it RC5+'s or RC6's. Cheaper than most other brands but unbelievable stopping power, only downside is dust.

I had RC5+'s in the 200 and then RC6 in the 172 and they're fantastic!

 

[Munson]

I don't drive a Clio but I am using DS2500 pads. They're pretty good but I find them quite inconsistent at times. There seems to be a certain temperature range where they don't have great initial bite. Then again I'm using them in a 1450kg car, so hardly representative of a Clio.

I'll be trying Carbotech XP8 next.

 

[Fred@BTM]

Most of trackday braking issues are heat build up. Ie brands hatch indy circuit , three hard, one medium,and one light brake in the space of one mile. This from 100mph etc. This doesnt happen on public roads. (maybe mountain downhill switch backs?)
If you could get rid of all the extra heat standard pads would work reasonably well. So it comes down to friction levels and pedal feel and resistance to excessive heat.
Higher friction will give the driver confidence(just when you need it) the abs systems cope with this quite well, ocasional hiccup.
lock up can be more tricky if no abs when friction is above say 0.5.
My suggestion for what your going to do is the ds2500, we fit a lot of these.
give me a call for costs, regards mark
01279 431628

Mark Fish using the internet!!! About bloody time sir!

 

[jon_r]

Agreed Fred, great to have Mark onboard.

Surely standard (therefore must be idiot proof) is fine for a 60 sec Autotest?

I'd be going for the DS3000, lets not talk about the 2500 things.

 

[Keith185]

Pagid RS4-2 or DS2500, prefer the pagids personally but both great, seriously considering going back to the Ferodo next with the current price differance tbh. Just make sure they're fitted properly.

 

[mikeh]

Is there something regarding fitting I should know about or is that just a general warning?

I'd have thought it was pretty difficult to fit brake pads wrong?

 

[Keith185]

Is there something regarding fitting I should know about or is that just a general warning?

I'd have thought it was pretty difficult to fit brake pads wrong?

Just make sure you take the shims that the pad sits on in the carrier out and file down the ends of the pads (where it would make contact with the shims) to give few mm of vertical play.

 

[mikeh]

Why do I need to file down pads that are designed for my car? :/

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

You literally take the paint/1mm off the "tabbs" at each end, as Keith says its to allow movement when the pads get hot they obviously expand so doing this prevents issues in the future.


I know the ds2500 are around £125 posted but what's the best price/going rate posted for the Pagids RS4-2?

 

[mikeh]

Cheapest I can see is £190 at K-Tec.

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

I think Fred has answered my decision I'm going to get the DS3000's for my PH1.