Fingers crossed!!
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Burpspeed Version 2: Race Car Build
- Thread starter Jay Payne
- Start date
At idle, or when revving?
If the latter then sounds pretty unlikely its anything other than a major problem
These engines love to spin the centre main bearing or an end if you dont get the tolerances and oil supply right when building/specing them so lets hope its not something as fundamental as that, as potentially could be not a lot left salvageable depending on how long it saw low oil pressure for and how much load it was under, just a few seconds of full throttle at high RPM with no pressure can be enough to total everything.
Fingers crossed for something like a dodgy sensor though!
182cup & 172 racecar
A rattle was heard.
Whats all this talk of giving up? Dont be silly.
I really hope you get this sorted Tony.
I really hope you get this sorted Tony.
Certainly sounds like its done an end at the minimum then.
Have to pull it apart and find out.
You really arent having much luck since you moved on from standard engines with a set of cams lobbed in them, maybe time to step back to that or is it a case of then you wouldnt be competitive enough now things have moved on a bit?
Missed events must be a painful way to lose money
Mk1 MX-5 (x3), Westy
That's the issue with a lot of motorsport series I think, it turns into wallet racing
Standard (or as close to possible) engines should be all that's allowed IMO. Sure you can blueprint them but the gains aren't as much as fancy cams (and all the crap that goes with them), steel cranks, stupidly expensive pistons and rods and the associated re-build intervals.Really hope you can find the motivation to carry on Tony, I know how it feels with failure after failure (killed a rebuilt engine before the start of this season and had to build another, then wrote my car off at the last round, and have just finished the re-shell) - but stick with it cos the banter in the paddock is worth it! Crack on!
WRX
Good job I checked in. Just sent his nibs a message
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
Chin up mate. Things will take a turn for the better at some point. F#!king F4R's. :drunk:
The F4R can be a pain for sure if you dont know what you are doing with it, and expensive even if you do, the amount Ive found out about building them over the last few years has been a lot more than I expected I would need to learn considering the number of other types of engines Ive built previously, they arent just another engine they have some quite specific issues.
He needs to either:
a) Use secondhand standard known working engine with a set of cams lobbed in
b) Get one built by someone who can do so properly and in an ideal world offer a conditional warranty (ie no mechanical over revs!) even with what he is using it for. Potentially someone like Ashford Motorsport might be able to do that?
No point fitting another badly built/spec engine done on the cheap that wont last and then have it fail and lose a fortune in the costs of missing a race that you havent even turned up at, better to save up and buy a better engine that will work, or if the money isnt there for that than accept using standard disposable engines and just lob a set of cams in them so that there is reliability in the redundancy of just having a few laid about, can still fail during a race of course but at least you get to get as far as driving the thing first so dont get nothing at all for your money.
Or sell up and do another series
Or sell up and take up golf, or trackdays, or some other hobby.
330i. E30 Touring.
Nick172Cup has a 'racecar' almost ready to go!
Sure he'd agree that if him or I can help, let us know chap.
Sure he'd agree that if him or I can help, let us know chap.
This is the kind of news that puts me off spending money upgrading my engine.
As Tony knows I did my first race last month with a standard engine and absolutely loved it! But on several occasions during the races I wished I had more power.
Now I am faced with the prospect of spending £000's on the engine or keep it standard and just enjoy the racing. But knowing if I keep it standard I am never going to win a race.
As Tony knows I did my first race last month with a standard engine and absolutely loved it! But on several occasions during the races I wished I had more power.
Now I am faced with the prospect of spending £000's on the engine or keep it standard and just enjoy the racing. But knowing if I keep it standard I am never going to win a race.
It's geometry on the bottom end is crap for high revs.
Lol, yeah, I believe they will sell you an engine and gaurentee it for a season as part of the cost, but I am going on secondhand info.
Much more enjoyable when it's cheap and you don't have to worry about it in my opinion.
No offence to you of course, but you could spend 2-3 k on your engine and still not win any races. Big money combined with great drivers up at the front of the grid!
Pretty much what I am thinking.
I wouldn't be able to blame my lack of talent on not having as much power as everyone else otherwise
I wouldn't be able to blame my lack of talent on not having as much power as everyone else otherwise
Yeh. And a shite rod ratio causing it. Iirc the std rev limit is seeing piston speeds close to what an f1 engine achieves.
182cup & 172 racecar
What, and give your pride and joy back dented.
Still needs some scars lol.
Still needs some scars lol.
The piston speeds are horrific, some of the race F4R engines out there are suffering piston speeds that in F1 they managed to keep below on the older 20Krpm F1 engines!, although thats not really what I meant with regards to building them reliable, more to do with oil supply and distribution.
I'm aware of the piston speed issues it was the other things you were alluding to that I'm interested in.
So what are the issues with oil supply and distribution?
182cup & 172 racecar
Sometimes CS is a wonderful place.
I'd like thank peeps for all tbe offers of engines, gearboxes? , but most of all whole cars.
Thats very trusting and kind, you know who you are (James-Adam).
Still not decided what to do yet.
Theres always Pistonheads lol.
Thanks again. X
I'd like thank peeps for all tbe offers of engines, gearboxes? , but most of all whole cars.
Thats very trusting and kind, you know who you are (James-Adam).
Still not decided what to do yet.
Theres always Pistonheads lol.
Thanks again. X
182cup & 172 racecar
COME ON!! lol
182cup & 172 racecar
Thanks to Ian, it was great fun. Knee down, foot down, everything down.
172 Race Car
Keeping a decent distance from that kerb
182cup & 172 racecar
Sh1t hot on track limits. Anyway, late apex.
Awesome, looks fun
182cup & 172 racecar
I did it on purpose, I like to wind him up, took a picture of it, along with the trophy and sent it to him.
All in the best possible taste of course.
All in the best possible taste of course.
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
Haha! Awesome stuff
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
It was a great little motor.
182cup & 172 racecar
Feel the love.
