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Buying track car and engine life
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imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Pot luck.
You will get some that have done hundreds and others that have done a handfull or even just one.
You will get some that have done hundreds and others that have done a handfull or even just one.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
As said, pot luck.
They like to drop valves for fun with high revs.
I tend not to rev them all the way to the limit (power is gone before then anyway).
They like to drop valves for fun with high revs.
I tend not to rev them all the way to the limit (power is gone before then anyway).
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Have had my £550 Y reg 2001 Clio 172 for about 16 months, and chuffed to bits. Done probably 6 full track days, and another 5 x 2 hour/evening slots and a few 20 min single seshs's at car shows.
Mechanically it only need an ABS front shaft fitted (Got a new one put in) and other than reboring the throttle body nothing else has needed to be done. Ive spent a few quid on tyres, (Track days trash tyres for sure) welded in half roll cage, and it already had coilovers and BSB Catback exhaust
Rest has been tinkering with extra wheels, brakes, induction, new battery but its fun tinkering in the summer
Already got at least 6 track appearances planned this year, including Blyton and FCS, and impressed with how its doing. It pulled 165bhp at Surrey Rolling road last year, and for a 17 year old car I was well happy with that. Considering remapping or other ways of increasing power, but feel that would add extra stress on the engine, so may leave well alone
Use additives, Oil change frequently and generally look after it.
Done 93k miles so far (Ive added 10k since ive had it) and really happy, and I don't hold back on the circuits- pedal to the metal
So impressed that as Cambelt and aux are due in a few months, and expecting to get it all done for another 6 years
Its even seen me thru the winter as a daily, after my Golf R lease went back last year. Almost don't see the point of getting another daily- but I wilL
Its no looker, but I Love it - only hint I would give, max out on the highest RAC membership u can get- I ve got any car, at home, recovery etc etc
Cos you never know LOL
Mechanically it only need an ABS front shaft fitted (Got a new one put in) and other than reboring the throttle body nothing else has needed to be done. Ive spent a few quid on tyres, (Track days trash tyres for sure) welded in half roll cage, and it already had coilovers and BSB Catback exhaust
Rest has been tinkering with extra wheels, brakes, induction, new battery but its fun tinkering in the summer
Already got at least 6 track appearances planned this year, including Blyton and FCS, and impressed with how its doing. It pulled 165bhp at Surrey Rolling road last year, and for a 17 year old car I was well happy with that. Considering remapping or other ways of increasing power, but feel that would add extra stress on the engine, so may leave well alone
Use additives, Oil change frequently and generally look after it.
Done 93k miles so far (Ive added 10k since ive had it) and really happy, and I don't hold back on the circuits- pedal to the metal
So impressed that as Cambelt and aux are due in a few months, and expecting to get it all done for another 6 years
Its even seen me thru the winter as a daily, after my Golf R lease went back last year. Almost don't see the point of getting another daily- but I wilL
Its no looker, but I Love it - only hint I would give, max out on the highest RAC membership u can get- I ve got any car, at home, recovery etc etc
Cos you never know LOL
Mine lasted 12 track days before it shat itself and slipped the timing, got it all fixed with uprated 197 cams and that lasted all of 300 miles before it snapped a valve destroying the engine in the process. Great cars when working properly and really do punch above there weight on track but I wouldn't own another as it was far to unreliable in my experience. I did drive it within an inch of its life though....literally, lol.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
How many times did you hit the limiter the day it went do you think?
The old man's mate sprint-trials with a DB7, it's borderline hilarious
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
#Baller
Non as I was short shifting as it was wet/damp. Was in 4th foot flat half way down the straight before Lodge nowhere near the limit when it went.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Think the last part, answers the first part of your comment
I certainly don't hold back, but don't drive round track with the engine screaming
There are enough slower cars to chase down, than fast Elise to catch up with
Rev counter below 5kmost of time :tonguewink:- its more the fun and excitement, than testing the engine to full capacity- and hopefully will get more longevitiy out of it
Each to their own no doubt
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It slipped the timing as the alternator shaft had a load of play in it, shredding the aux belt, therefore slipping the timing. And last time it snapped a valve after a rebuilt head was fitted not 300 miles previously so nothing to do with driving it hard as I didn't have chance to drive it hard!
But yeah each to their own, I personally don't see the point in using a vehicle for fun and not using it to its full potential whether it be a motocross, go-kart, track car etc...
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
I go above 5k in first, when cold, daily.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Pfff, mine idles at 5k :tongueclosed:
Its just luck of the draw. I've had mine from 40k miles, now on 120k. It probably explores 7k rpm most days, been to the ring, done 4-5 track days last year etc.
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Redlining seems to just make more noise, and not that much more acceleration for me
although there is something satisfying about not being able to floor the throttle pedal any more
to be honest i probably venture into 6k+ a little more than i actually to notice...... eyes on the road n all that
although there is something satisfying about not being able to floor the throttle pedal any more
to be honest i probably venture into 6k+ a little more than i actually to notice...... eyes on the road n all that
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Get it on the rollers and see where maximum powerz comes in. Set ready steady go flashing lights on the dash and your good to go.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Not with 197 cams and EFI custom map they don't :wink:Only meant to rev to 7200 😂
Mine will do 7800 with the rstuner map on itpenmouth:
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
This needed a correction- dunno why that typo came in lol
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
that's why your engines f++ked
Are the valve springs changed to the uprated catcams ones with 197 cams, or do they use the standard valve springs?
Everything is the same mate, just drop the 197 cams in and time accordingly.
And same gearbox all that time?!
do you suspect it was put back together incorrectly as to how prematurely it dropped a valve only a few hundred miles after and without giving it the beans? I was under the impression that you needed the catcams stiffer valve springs when fitting an aftermarket cam to the 1*2s , im pretty sure with any of the catcam packages ED & K-tec would fit the stiffer valve springs for that reason, i might be wrong though
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
If you went with catcam 421 or 428, to get the best you'd fit supertech valves and uprated springs.
With 438's you can use OEM but for peace of mind i'd fit supertech valves also.
That's the way i'd do it.
PH2 172
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And others the belt will just go. Luck of the draw.
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I'm just gonna take a chance on mine and if it goes wait for an engine to come up on here from a car being broken with belts done and have someone like Carl fit it or attempt it myself, same with the gearbox. They seem throw away units these days, lol.
And?
PH2 172
It seems to me you wilfully chose to ignore the recommended service schedules for the belts, and having lost your bet, you are taking every opportunity you can to denigrate Clio`s & the F4R engine in particular.
Nobody likes a bad looser!
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
His engine was rebuilt and lasted 300 miles after £1000+ of work.
I'm sure everyone wouldn't be too happy either.
Nothing to do with service schedules.
PH2 172
I read that the aux belt found its way into the cambelt in November, so I consider it is.
Other than noticing that one valve had dropped following reassembly, I did not pay a lot of attention to the rebuild or what was replaced or reused.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
The aux belt being overdue was the first time yeah.
It then died again not long after a rebuild.
Right ive bitten my tongue long enough with you and this is me being respectful to my elders. I'll say what most others think, you come across as a weirdo with nothing better to do than talk utter shite on this forum, you talk in riddles and reply without properly reading a thread/post and 99% of the time your posts are no help what so ever. To me you come across as drunk with nothing better to do with your time, you're retired arent you or close to it so go find something useful to do with what time you have left that you can look back on with fondness, instead of annoying the s**t out of people on here with utter tosh!
And for your information i done exactly what I said in the post above, i took my chance and lost and instead of replacing the engine it was more cost effective to rebuild the head to which i did and then it gave up after 300 miles, so as mentioned i am going to be a tad bitter as would most.
With that I hope you have a nice evening....Steve!
PH2 172
As the original thought behind not spending money on belts etc was that if it blows, throw in a cheap used lump, I`m not sure why that option was not chosen.
It seems to me that too much money has been thrown into what was meant to be a bit of cheap fun.
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